Airtran 717s to fly for Delta?

[humveedriver]

No AT guy becomes a SWA guy until they report to Dallas for training. A lot can and will happen between now and then.

Sure can.

 

[Muskycat]

The deal is with Boeing, not SWA. So no pilots coming over to DAL.

Exactly! The planes are leased and would be returned to Boeing, then in turn, leased back to the new Leasee. No pilots would follow in this case.

 

[4day]

Very professional of you, my little UPT boy. Grow up and pay your fellow and future coworkers some respect. I know this is your first airline and all but Really - do you have to act like that?

This was also posted this morning on Yahoo Finance " Mootly Fool"comments. It like some guys pulled the pin on a grenade but forgot to throw.

Nsacaptain

I am a pilot for Southwest and was once a very happy employee. After this merger and ridiculous pilot seniority list integration, I am now a disgruntled employee for life. This was a huge mistake on the part of the airline. There are many of us that lost the "warrior" spirit that made the airline successful in the past.

Nsacaptain

The fact is that "those guys" got the huge windfall. Starting with pay 2 MIL ++ over a 15 year career. Up to five weeks paid vacation which in "Kool Aide Land" equates to 15+ paid weeks off in a year. The most generous sick time accrual in the industry.Extremely generous and virtually no cost health insurance. One of the top 5 401k and profit sharing plans in the WORLD with 9.3% dollar for dollar matching. The most flexible and efficient flight schedules in the industry. Virtually limitless overtime availability. Tell me how often at AirTran you can go to work for two and a half days and make $12000 because that's the way it is in "Kool aide land" all before the culture was ruined. As for "those guys will be great to work with" many of us will never know because when they show up at many planes, they will be sent marching. What was it that was given to Southwest pilots? The fact is that many of them about 1800 of them in fact will be forced to give up their weekends with their families in order to work, they will be forced to commute cross country to report to work, they will loose out to holding the vacations over holidays or having that time off.*****
One final note, the author o this article was dead on in his evaluation of "Tran Wreck" I have traveled on them many, many times and can tell you countless stories about their lack of organization, their incompetence,, and outright rudeness. That is not the Southeest way.

 

[Superpilot92]

The deal is with Boeing, not SWA. So no pilots coming over to DAL.

this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[fam62c]

This was also posted this morning on Yahoo Finance " Mootly Fool"comments. It like some guys pulled the pin on a grenade but forgot to throw.

Nsacaptain

I am a pilot for Southwest and was once a very happy employee. After this merger and ridiculous pilot seniority list integration, I am now a disgruntled employee for life. This was a huge mistake on the part of the airline. There are many of us that lost the "warrior" spirit that made the airline successful in the past.

Nsacaptain

The fact is that "those guys" got the huge windfall. Starting with pay 2 MIL ++ over a 15 year career. Up to five weeks paid vacation which in "Kool Aide Land" equates to 15+ paid weeks off in a year. The most generous sick time accrual in the industry.Extremely generous and virtually no cost health insurance. One of the top 5 401k and profit sharing plans in the WORLD with 9.3% dollar for dollar matching. The most flexible and efficient flight schedules in the industry. Virtually limitless overtime availability. Tell me how often at AirTran you can go to work for two and a half days and make $12000 because that's the way it is in "Kool aide land" all before the culture was ruined. As for "those guys will be great to work with" many of us will never know because when they show up at many planes, they will be sent marching. What was it that was given to Southwest pilots? The fact is that many of them about 1800 of them in fact will be forced to give up their weekends with their families in order to work, they will be forced to commute cross country to report to work, they will loose out to holding the vacations over holidays or having that time off.*****
One final note, the author o this article was dead on in his evaluation of "Tran Wreck" I have traveled on them many, many times and can tell you countless stories about their lack of organization, their incompetence,, and outright rudeness. That is not the Southeest way.

What a drama queen, there's a group of these folks at every airline and they will always be miserable.

 

[dicko]

That is not the Southeest way.

After all of that whinging and blubbering, 'the warrior' spells the name of his own beloved airline incorrectly. What a tosser.

 

[ultrarunner]

There are two questions here:

1. If the 717's go to Delta and the pilots go with them (it would take a large transfer rate for that to happen by the way), do those 717 CA's get DOH or better and hold their CA seats on the 717 when they get to Delta?

IF that happened, it's just an airframe purchase. NOT an airline purchase necessitating an integration. Offer the folks pref interviews or new-hire status I suppose....

Ultra

 

[Scoot 11]

This was also posted this morning on Yahoo Finance " Mootly Fool"comments. It like some guys pulled the pin on a grenade but forgot to throw.

Nsacaptain

I am a pilot for Southwest and was once a very happy employee. After this merger and ridiculous pilot seniority list integration, I am now a disgruntled employee for life. This was a huge mistake on the part of the airline. There are many of us that lost the "warrior" spirit that made the airline successful in the past.

Nsacaptain

The fact is that "those guys" got the huge windfall. Starting with pay 2 MIL ++ over a 15 year career. Up to five weeks paid vacation which in "Kool Aide Land" equates to 15+ paid weeks off in a year. The most generous sick time accrual in the industry.Extremely generous and virtually no cost health insurance. One of the top 5 401k and profit sharing plans in the WORLD with 9.3% dollar for dollar matching. The most flexible and efficient flight schedules in the industry. Virtually limitless overtime availability. Tell me how often at AirTran you can go to work for two and a half days and make $12000 because that's the way it is in "Kool aide land" all before the culture was ruined. As for "those guys will be great to work with" many of us will never know because when they show up at many planes, they will be sent marching. What was it that was given to Southwest pilots? The fact is that many of them about 1800 of them in fact will be forced to give up their weekends with their families in order to work, they will be forced to commute cross country to report to work, they will loose out to holding the vacations over holidays or having that time off.*****
One final note, the author o this article was dead on in his evaluation of "Tran Wreck" I have traveled on them many, many times and can tell you countless stories about their lack of organization, their incompetence,, and outright rudeness. That is not the Southeest way.

You were much more comical when your mic was stuck open on ATC!:smash:
Sheesh! With all that bitching, you could have at least spelled the name of your company correctly!:laugh:

 

[Cruncher]

I think NSA captain is really from another airline, just bringing on heat to SWA.

If not, then some people should just meet and have kids, otherwise this is what you get!

 

[justgrieveit]

"they will loose out to holding the vacations over holidays or having that time off.*****"

loose/lo͞os/

Adjective:Not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached: "a loose tooth".
Verb:Set free; release: "the hounds have been loosed".
Synonyms:adjective. lax - slack - free
verb. release - loosen - untie - unfasten - unbind - undo

lose/lo͞oz/

Verb:

• Be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something): "I've lost my appetite".
• Cause (someone) to fail to gain or retain (something): "you lost me my appointment at the university".

Synonyms:miss - waste

 

[waveflyer]

Every person involved is responsible for their attitude and what they bring to the culture every day. If you're getting a check in this industry at all, much less one from SWA- it takes some serious stones to b/tch. As for delta- I would love to offer air tran pilots the choice- that way they feel like they have a bit more say in their destiny- but not sure that's how this can play out. To me, the debate is over- and all AT pilots are now our brothers- did we fight? Sure. A doozy- but you love your brothers and they are family now. If you're still resentful over a relatively common airline career experience, may I suggest counseling? Or just getting the f over it? Regardless, all pilots need to enjoy the ride and simply worry about what they control and not let greed run their life. I don't care if you're "RSW or FAT", if you're still whining about this- you have issues and might should quit the whole industry- bc chances are about 1000% that this isn't the last big deal you'll have to live with.

Perspective: use it or lose it.

 

[On Your Six]

Every person involved is responsible for their attitude and what they bring to the culture every day. If you're getting a check in this industry at all, much less one from SWA- it takes some serious stones to b/tch. As for delta- I would love to offer air tran pilots the choice- that way they feel like they have a bit more say in their destiny- but not sure that's how this can play out. To me, the debate is over- and all AT pilots are now our brothers- did we fight? Sure. A doozy- but you love your brothers and they are family now. If you're still resentful over a relatively common airline career experience, may I suggest counseling? Or just getting the f over it? Regardless, all pilots need to enjoy the ride and simply worry about what they control and not let greed run their life. I don't care if you're "RSW or FAT", if you're still whining about this- you have issues and might should quit the whole industry- bc chances are about 1000% that this isn't the last big deal you'll have to live with.

Perspective: use it or lose it.

Who's going to OFFER the AT pilots where to go? They are NOW at SWA. If SWA wants to offload some airplanes back to the lessor, then that is GK's choice. If all 88 came in one day, then that is a different story, but I haven't heard that happening at all. First, Boeing has other 717s sitting around, waiting to get used (maybe that is why some of the mechanics are supposedly is school right now). That could be the start. Then, as your 717s come off lease, others could be returned to the lessor, and then re-leased out. I am sure I do know why some of your people don't want them to remain, that could be less growth for you as new planes come in to replace the outgoing ones. It makes sense. But you're right, as you say, all the AT people are now your FAMILY.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[JAM-BRO]

I started reading this thread and had to stop... Who came up with the crazy notion that we would buy a fleet of a/c with pilots? Aren't we buying a bunch of MD90s? Are they coming already crewed? NO!!! Again, this is a deal between DAL and Boeing, not with SWA or AT.

 

[SLUF4]

why are we arguing about about some hypothetical thing that hasn't even been confirmed

 

[727RedTails]

Wow I already got censored for criticizing a moderator, poof goes my message are we in the US or China?