Airnet Upgrade Question

[Buckeye]

Ready to fly, I think you would look good walking through the terminal wearing your cute little outfit, flying your nice shiny jet. Heck it would be a safe bet for your type (500TT all knowing), with all that gee-whiz gadgets, bells and whistle you can't hurt yourself or others. But if you want to come out and fly at night with big boys, which you probably won't cut it anyways. You will either scare yourself or kill yourself, unless you smart'n up and learn to really fly.

 

[veneratio]

I have flew night freight and now fly for a regional and I can tell you from my experience that the quality of life is so much better at the regional. Sure, flying freight I learned a lot but I would rather fly to different destinations with a different crews and having more situational awerness using glass than being home every night (I mean morning). What good is it flying a baron/lear to the same places night after night after night with the same crew?

Now, to answer the original question, upgrade at airnet to SIC LEAR is 1 year and then who knows. However, Airnet is a sinking ship so I would stay away, also, the chief pilot is weird as hell.

 

[starchkr]

Airlines are intrested in PIC Turbine, not PIC FMS/Autopilot. By and large they dont care if you flew guages or EFIS. They want someone who has made and will continue to make good decisions while in charge of a large turbine powered aircraft.
WDR11

Holy crap, how did they overlook me???:laugh: :laugh: Maybe i forgot to mention all the things i did as a captain...hmmm...maybe i should be quiet now, they may be watching.:laugh:

Tigerdriver...that was classic "close your eyes and scream like hell"...heaven knows how many times that saved my butt...by the time you are done screaming it is all over and you forgot what you even went through...or maybe it was the screams of sheer terror from my co-pilot as i missed the hole and went right through the t-storm...

 

[mnixon]

I have flew night freight and now fly for a regional and I can tell you from my experience that the quality of life is so much better at the regional. Sure, flying freight I learned a lot but I would rather fly to different destinations with a different crews and having more situational awerness using glass than being home every night (I mean morning). What good is it flying a baron/lear to the same places night after night after night with the same crew?

Now, to answer the original question, upgrade at airnet to SIC LEAR is 1 year and then who knows. However, Airnet is a sinking ship so I would stay away, also, the chief pilot is weird as hell.

What good is it banging fat old flight attendants, night after night. Ya ever notice that freighters dont say crap about others, but guys in the regionals are always hot to trot about how much better they are than every one else? The whole security thing. Have fun with that monkey suit, and the penalty box at ohare. Oh yea, how did that pay cut treat ya.

 

[Flysher]

I have flew night freight and now fly for a regional and I can tell you from my experience that the quality of life is so much better at the regional. Sure, flying freight I learned a lot but I would rather fly to different destinations with a different crews and having more situational awerness using glass than being home every night (I mean morning). What good is it flying a baron/lear to the same places night after night after night with the same crew?

Now, to answer the original question, upgrade at airnet to SIC LEAR is 1 year and then who knows. However, Airnet is a sinking ship so I would stay away, also, the chief pilot is weird as hell.

1.)situational awareness isnt just a function of how fancy your cockpit is. a good pilot can take an airplane with a basic IFR package and have great SA.

2.)flyin a lear /baron around all night has gotta be at least half as good as flyin an RJ around on autopilot all day and throwin the gear handle around

3.)how is airnet a sinking ship?? because were losing some check business? At least the pilots here keep there jobs when sh!t hits the fan

plus we get to wear jeans:laugh:

 

[uscpilot]

Now, to answer the original question, However, Airnet is a sinking ship so I would stay away, also, the chief pilot is weird as hell.

I partially agree. They do not seem to be making the transition to express work quick enough. I am not sure that there is much desire to do so. I am very bothered by this.
Oh yeah, Quinn is a goof ball.
WDR11

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Eirly post said a FMS is a fancy GPS. Not all FMS’ equipped airplanes have GPS. Some airlines fly old sh!# too ie 737-200, 727, DC-9, & MD-80. Fly freight or people doesn’t make you better than others. What you take from that experience makes you better. I’ve done both a good mix of experience, and I know guys that have done one or both but (at least at this point) don’t seem like they should have been given a certificate much less a job. Just fly something turbine and shut up. (Good CRM eh?)

 

[MrPink1911]

shiney jet guys DO have there own forum!!!

You know, if you don't wanna fly cargo then don't.... but don't come on this forum and start mouthing off like you know what you are talking about after all of 450 hours.... The regional forum is full of people like you to share your views with. Now, I know I don't know everything, but I know enough not to come in someone's house and act disrespectful..... I have my own uncertainties about the future of AirNet and the CEO does little to aleviate those.... But until the doors get locked I am going to deliver what they pay me to deliver.... As far as the flying goes, its single pilot IFR, you as PIC must be able to make decisions that lead to successfully completing your flight, preferrably on time.... if you can't operate like that then there are lots of other jobs.... Now, back to the beer and lamenting the woeful lack of hot girls in Elizabeth, NJ....

 

[osy007]

just a quick comment

WDR75 checking in...former USC'er


Ive been on the people side, for 4 years now, flying the 35. My total IFR time since doesnt even add up to 3 months of cargo flying. Enough said...
I can still shoot a dam good approach though. But, you cant beat cargo pilots hands down.

 

[starchkr]

Props, an FMS is just a fancy GPS...it gets you from one point to another in a direct line using some form of navigation by computer. Now whether that be by 40 waypoints programmed into the thing or going direct from departure to destination city it doesn't matter, they do the EXACT same thing. Now you are right in saying that not all a/c have GPS...in fact many Airbus clients do not get the GPS installed with their deliveries, in which case the IRS's take over the primary means of navigation(i don't know how the others you mentioned come)...but our company believes that the added GPS integrity is the way to go, that way if the GPS fails you have the IRS's to rely on, and if the IRS's then fail you will have the VOR Triangulation to rely on, and if that fails you will have the hard VOR's to rely on...as you can see the addidtion of the GPS to the FMS system just adds another level of reliability to the a/c.

...And i'm still wondering about your soberness while typing the rest of the post...:erm:

Eirly post said a FMS is a fancy GPS. Not all FMS’ equipped airplanes have GPS. Some airlines fly old sh!# too ie 737-200, 727, DC-9, & MD-80. Fly freight or people doesn’t make you better than others. What you take from that experience makes you better. I’ve done both a good mix of experience, and I know guys that have done one or both but (at least at this point) don’t seem like they should have been given a certificate much less a job. Just fly something turbine and shut up. (Good CRM eh?)

 

[jbDC9]

give a freight dog two vor's, an adf, a bag full of charts, and a couple of maxim's and the job will get done...

Dude, you forgot lunch... gotta have a sammich stuffed in a greasy brown bag. Mmm, good...

 

[paulsalem]

Seems like SJS is spreading at a pandemic rate.

 

[dumbidea]

jimmy crack corn........

 

[C-141/C-5]

Why are people on this thread talking about flying at night like it's some challenge??? If they really believe what they're saying I don't want them in the sky with me because they are obviously lacking in simple flying basics.

FMS is a Flight Management System
GPS is a Global Positioning System
HOW CAN YOU SAY IT"S LIKE A FANCY GPS??? The FMS does multiple things(TOLD,Flight plans, Progress, Drift,ETC) and might use the GPS as a component(your so called form of navigation), but in no way is the GPS a FMS

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST

ONE MORE THING! MACHOISM GETS PEOPLE KILLED! I've flown all over the world: night, day, sand storms, T-storms, snow storms, missle storms, ETC. I think you get my point. Why not have the gadgets to make you more situational aware?, why not use the autopilot when your flying at the 23rd hour of your 24 hour day? USE ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT TO THE FULLEST! But stay proficient with your hands

 

[microbrewst]

no one said it was better to not have that equipment. all that was said was a pilot who doesn't need those things to survive is better that the one who is always falling back on them (and hence they whould be the one who is lacking basic PILOTING skills). also, it would probably be best not to brag about where and when you've flown and then talk about machismo.

 

[paulsalem]

I think what this boils down to is you don't need an FMS or EFIS to fly an airplane. And it doesn't take long to learn an FMS (especially for the younger generation).

At Airnet (and similar operators) you'll learn stuff you can't learn on a CBT.

 

[mnixon]

Why are people on this thread talking about flying at night like it's some challenge??? If they really believe what they're saying I don't want them in the sky with me because they are obviously lacking in simple flying basics.

FMS is a Flight Management System
GPS is a Global Positioning System
HOW CAN YOU SAY IT"S LIKE A FANCY GPS??? The FMS does multiple things(TOLD,Flight plans, Progress, Drift,ETC) and might use the GPS as a component(your so called form of navigation), but in no way is the GPS a FMS

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST

ONE MORE THING! MACHOISM GETS PEOPLE KILLED! I've flown all over the world: night, day, sand storms, T-storms, snow storms, missle storms, ETC. I think you get my point. Why not have the gadgets to make you more situational aware?, why not use the autopilot when your flying at the 23rd hour of your 24 hour day? USE ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT TO THE FULLEST! But stay proficient with your hands

First off, thank you for your service to our country. I speak on behalf of all of us when I say that.

Second, don't come one here spouting your mouth about how much crap you've flown through and how cool you are. It's not appreciated, and it makes you look like a tool. Peace out.

 

[C-141/C-5]

I didn't intend to brag. I was just trying to validate my credentials, so no one thinks i'm some 1000 CFI with 15 hours of actual IFR trying to talk about something that they have no clue on. Hopefully, you can learn from this

 

[microbrewst]

Learn what, exactly?

I was lucky enough to get a tour of the Chicago TRACON about 6 months ago. Very impressive. I asked the controller who was showing us around, "who do you think the best pilots are from your experience?" Without hesitating his response was, "those Starcheck (Airnet) guys." The controller that we were observing turned around and and agreed, "yeah, i wish everyone made my life as easy as those guys do..." So you tell me, who is a better judge of piloting skills than the controllers whom deal with all of us? And keep in mind, Airnet pilots are able to impress those controllers without all those fancy gadgets which you love so much.

 

[C-141/C-5]

SWEET let me quit my job and go to Airnet to learn how to fly!
LOL
You are a joke to even make a comment like Airnet are the best pilots leads me to believe your on drugs or drinking the bullsh*t airnet is feeding you.

They tried to give me a job out of college (OU)which I rejected immediatley.

I forgot the world dosen't reconize military aviators as the best. They reconize Airnet LOL LOL LOL

Have fun with it and fly safe!
PS I live near columbus, Oh, so if your strapped for cash I can always use a lawn boy once a week.