Airman Flight School

[Lear60Guy]

Airman Flight School has been served an eviction notice.

Court Documents

 

[minitour]

Oh F*ck me!

-mini

 

[User546]

I'll second Mini's reaction! Wow.

 

[minitour]

I'll second Mini's reaction! Wow.

...yeah and they don't owe you 10G's ... I think I'm gonna puke!

-mini

 

[C601]

So whats the real scoop.... Can't pay rent or is it another matter ?

 

[minitour]

So whats the real scoop.... Can't pay rent or is it another matter ?

I would bet they can't make their payments. They've been in a tough situation financially for a few months now...

I hope that isn't the case.

-mini

 

[MFRskyknight]

I would bet they can't make their payments. They've been in a tough situation financially for a few months now...

I hope that isn't the case.

-mini

Holy crap!!! I'll third mini's reaction -- I'm halfway through my Instrument there and they've got the better part of my money still. I really don't have that great a handle on what that document means in practical terms of what's likely to happen, but I guess I better not wait too long to find out. This really sucks.

MFR

 

[flyinlow67]

Can't say I didn't see that one coming. Got my ratings there in 2001 and they were hurting then. I suppose having 4 of the hijackers go there didn't help buisness much. Neither does the owner driving a 911 while the instructors toil away in a 60 year old building and crappy planes.
Before the flaming starts, I was there for 9 months in those planes and that building!

 

[rcbullock]

It was a rating factory. You paid a flat rate and got your ticket. There's something to be said for that alone. Obviously for a flat rate, the planes and budget aren't the best / highest. I thought the planes were tired but were maintained well for the age and use they got. The price/performance ratio was good I. I finished before 9/11 though, went there from 99 to about Aug 28 or so 2001. Yup, 2 weeks before 9/11.

There were and are some really good, nice people there.

 

[flyinlow67]

Thats about when I finished up.
The place was a factory. They had some good instructors though. A couple of bad ones, but I did learn alot from some of them.
Do you remember Gage Norman?

 

[350DRIVER]

So whats the real scoop.... Can't pay rent or is it another matter ?

I don't think the fat lady has started to sing just yet, the documents do not go into great detail and leaves for a lot of speculation. . For the sake of current students with a lot of money tied up in loans I surely hope Airman can survive this latest setback.

 

[rcbullock]

Do you remember Gage Norman?

Name rings a bell, but that's it.

 

[Lear60Guy]

I don't think the fat lady has started to sing just yet, the documents do not go into great detail and leaves for a lot of speculation. . For the sake of current students with a lot of money tied up in loans I surely hope Airman can survive this latest setback.

The owner of their hanger is Baker Hughes, They are suing Airman for tens of thousands of dollars in back rent and to get them evicted. In October the airport takes control of the building from Baker Hughes, The airport has already said they will not rent to Airman.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

That sucks.

 

[MFRskyknight]

What exactly happened to Airman's last owner? I heard from some people that he went to jail, from others that he got terminally ill, etc. Obviously if you've got top management driving around in Porsches while the school limps along with battered C152's and $800/month CFIs, something pretty dishonest is going on.

MFR

 

[GAcfi]

Current Students

Are there any current students or instructors that are at Airman that can give us an update. There are several good instructors there that have the students interest at heart. I wouldn't call it a rating factory because there were a number of people "living" at the Day's Inn that failed numerous checkrides due to poor performance. I guess it is all in how you perceive your experience. I hope they get it together out there. The school supported at least one hotel and several fast food restaruants in Norman! Heck, being able to eat at Ozzie's has to make up for some things that might have been subpar with the school!

 

[350DRIVER]

I wouldn't call it a rating factory because there were a number of people "living" at the Day's Inn that failed numerous checkrides due to poor performance.

It is far from being a "ratings factory", I agree with your comments completely and saw this first hand when I attended the school quite a few years ago and still keep in contact with more recent students who have pretty much shared these same thoughts.

The owner of their hanger is Baker Hughes, They are suing Airman for tens of thousands of dollars in back rent and to get them evicted. In October the airport takes control of the building from Baker Hughes, The airport has already said they will not rent to Airman.

I do not disagree with what you have said nor am I trying to question this, I just wouldn't rush to conclusions if I were you. Again, I don't think anyone truly knows what is going to happen out there other than those in the inner circle calling the day to day shots and overseeing the operations and finances. I seem to remeber Wiley Post (sp?), and many other smaller airports in that area that may or may not be a possibility if Norman refuses to rent space to Airman.

I truly hope some sort of "good" can come about from this, many good people are involved in this business.

As a side note, I believe the previous owner is terminally ill from what I have heard and he is no longer involved in any way or form.

 

[flyinlow67]

Name rings a bell, but that's it.

Gage and a friend of mine were the ones that had the hydraulics fail on them in a Cutlass which resulted in a cockpit full of smoke and an off airport landing. Pilots did fine, just crappy maintenance.

The previous owner was never around anyway. In 9 months there, I think I saw the guy 5 times.

 

[NYCPilot]

I've heard class sizes have gotten smaller and smaller over the years.

 

[Lear60Guy]

Update

I have heard a date of September 15th as being their last day in the building

 

[MFRskyknight]

Are there any current students or instructors that are at Airman that can give us an update. There are several good instructors there that have the students interest at heart. I wouldn't call it a rating factory because there were a number of people "living" at the Day's Inn that failed numerous checkrides due to poor performance. I guess it is all in how you perceive your experience. I hope they get it together out there. The school supported at least one hotel and several fast food restaruants in Norman! Heck, being able to eat at Ozzie's has to make up for some things that might have been subpar with the school!

I am a current student at Airman working through the upgrade course. I agree that there are quite a few truly outstanding instructors, as well as some that don't seem up to snuff. While I'm pulling the balance of my remaining funds immediately into my own account (yes, I was dumb and young and paid all up front), I would hate to see something like this happen to the place. I'm sure in some way shape or form management has got what's coming to them, but a great many of the people involved with this place don't deserve it whatsoever, especially the students.

MFR

 

[MFRskyknight]

I have heard a date of September 15th as being their last day in the building

Hey Youens, thanks for the heads up on this, by the way. It might be bad news, but I'm sure glad I found out ahead of time.

MFR

 

[vmc-hound]

I don't know about everyone but the only reason I even considered airman was that HOT Recruiter they have...is she still there...?

 

[minitour]

I don't know about everyone but the only reason I even considered airman was that HOT Recruiter they have...is she still there...?

if so, you've got some pretty low standards..

-mini

 

[vmc-hound]

dude when I visted there...she had an awsome body....she had a little red dress on...oh my!!! I don't know about now but about 5 years ago she was hottt....

 

[minitour]

dude when I visted there...she had an awsome body....she had a little red dress on...oh my!!! I don't know about now but about 5 years ago she was hottt....

ah okay it was a while ago...it's possible. I'm sure by now she's got some hail dammage tho...


but it's really like sausage...no one wants to know.

-mini

 

[flyinlow67]

If it's the same one I am thinking of, then I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot prop. Good looking with the little red dress, but off..........don't even want to think about it.

 

[User546]

All I can say is she looks like the kind of girl you'd have no problem getting to go home with you from the bar on a Saturday night, but at the same time the type that looks like shes been ridden hard and put away wet for many, many years!

I've heard some stories about her after-hour escapades from a former employee, and like the other guy said, I wouldn't touch her with a 10-foot pole!

 

[minitour]

I've heard some stories about her after-hour escapades from a former employee, and like the other guy said, I wouldn't touch her with a 10-foot pole!

You mean the parties she used to have at home for "people she knows" (students and instructors)?

I've heard some great stories about her...not that great lookin' tho...would be nice to get her to shut up too...oh well.

-mini

 

[MFRskyknight]

::stifled snickering::