Airlines where Pilots Clean the Cabin

[oldxfr8dog]

You wouldn't be one of those guys that crossed the line at my previous ALPA carrier would ya ?

No, I have never scabbed. Nice try at changing the subject.
People like you that must stand behind an "image" must lack some basic self-confidence.
Discussion with you is like teaching a pig to sing. It just sounds bad and annoys the pig. Nothing further from me on this subject.

 

[B6Guy]

Therapy Time

Hey Slow, you are late for your therapy session, now go get into your uniform, stand in front of the mirror, put your hat on at a jaunty angle, and repeat after me:

I'M A PILOT, I'M SPECIAL, I'M ABOVE HELPING LOWLY CREWMWMBERS, I'M SPECIAL, I MUST IGNORE OTHERS TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF, I'M SPECIAL, IF I ACT ALOOF OTHERS WILL THINK I'M SPECIAL.

Now beat your chest, pat yourself on the back and repeat the above process three times.

There, now don't you feel better??

Yep you're cool, aloof and special. And probably working for an airline loosing money to support your attitude and work ethic.

'you were in operations checking weather' what antiquanted airline do you work for that you can't telephone for weather? You have to walk to the operations shack and get a 'personal briefing'? Oh, if forgot, if you walk to operations, you get to parade yourself past the passengers in your uniform and act SPECIAL for a big audience. Especially if you get to carry some paperwork back to the cockpit with you. OOOOOOhhh SO SPECIAL !!

Get help, you need it.

 

[zonker]

This thread should be a case study entitled, "Don't Feed the Troll."

 

[slowto250]

Telephone for weather ? Telephone ? Yeah, that's how I wanna get my radar summary info. and check prog charts.

Ain't you got some vomit to clean up in 22C ?

I suppose you really have no choice now do you, without any collective bargaining or representation.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

"Paging Captain Blue, cleanup in aisle 22, paging..."

 

[slowto250]

No, I have never scabbed. Nice try at changing the subject.
People like you that must stand behind an "image" must lack some basic self-confidence.
Discussion with you is like teaching a pig to sing. It just sounds bad and annoys the pig. Nothing further from me on this subject.

No attempt was made to change the subject. Just can't understand how a former card carrying member like yourself thinks it OK to start packing a whisk broom and cleaning solvent in his flight bag. I'm no prima donna. In fact at my old carrier, I would have risked being reported by another worker for attempting to perform their union protected duties.

I'm also certain that many here would tell me that maybe that's why our carrier couldn't cut it, in todays environment. That perhaps we needed to adapt or die.
I would submit though, that pilot's pitching in to help in the cabin is not the real issue.
Union busting, deregulation, and bought and paid for capitol hill types, are.

Just pains me to see professionals bow to the whim of greedy management types who don't give a hoot about ours, or our children's future.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Yep you're cool, aloof and special. And probably working for an airline loosing money to support your attitude and work ethic.

He doesn't work or an airline. He works for Net Jets. He hasn't worked for an airline since he was an f/o at EAL.
I think this explains why he is so bitter. He has to REALLY clean his airplane!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Perhaps we flew together, Oldfreightdog. I was the guy in operations checking the weather for my assigned flight. I think I remember you. Weren't you the janitor, cleverly disguised as a pilot ?

Wow, NetJets is bigger than I thought. They have operations desks at all the FBOs you charter from.

 

[MD80DRVR]

I would love to know how many of these guys have their apps. in at JetBlue......

 

[B6Guy]

Paging Captain Blue

Not bad OakumBoy got a laugh from me.

Just to set the record straight, we have cleaners who clean the lavs and the puke, the gum ground into the carpet, and the food fight rows.

You won't see a pilot with a bucket and scrub-brush. Once in awhile I put on gloves if I have time to really help, but usually just cross seat belts and unplug and toss out headsets. Certainly not a 'janatorial' operation.

The few times I've had connecting customers staying onboard when I had gloves on and helping with straightening up the cabin, the customers have had nothing but positive comments about 'team efforts', 'work ethic', and the quality service from the entire crew. Nobody has ever wondered why I wasn't in the cockpit 'doing my lofty job'

Take care

 

[slowto250]

He doesn't work or an airline. He works for Net Jets. He hasn't worked for an airline since he was an f/o at EAL.
I think this explains why he is so bitter. He has to REALLY clean his airplane!

Now, now Dog. You are jumping to conclusions. If you had looked at more than just a couple of my prev. posts, you would see that I do not fly for NJ. I simply find their present cause a just one, and give them my unsolicited moral support. I also have quite a few friends there that deserve better of a company more than capable of giving it. It all comes back to the same thing, see. Greedy people (mgmt.) trying to exact more than their fair share at the expense of the people who are responsible for their success.

BTW, I don't have to clean the cabin. We have a very well paid F/A, who left her job at a "major" to work for us, and is glad to take care of that. If it gets particularly dirty on the road, I pay a cleaner to do it. At the owners expense. Wow, what a concept ! Paying different people to do different jobs.

You might want to start a new business. Open a chain of hotels offering cheaper rates..... but no housekeeping. You clean your room when you leave for the next occupant. Works for JB......

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Good one Nigel. You got me there. You are comparing apples and oranges also by the way. I fought the notion of paying for 3 years before I decided to do it. Big mistake on my part for waiting. Even though I eventually broke down, at the time things were much different then they are today and it wasn't a min wage job, since I was in the left seat of a 120 after 4 1/2 months on the line. So add it up and tell me what the cost difference for me would have been vs. someone who didn't pay for training, decided to make poverty level wages longer and now has to sit in the right seat of an rj. for the next 5 years to forever and doesn't get a job at a major airline. It was purely a business decision, just like going to college is. Last time I checked that was still PFT also. It sucked having to pay but I don't regret it. It's just the way it was everywhere. Cleaning an airplane is not, so go blow it out your @ss!

It's this sort of variable moral fortitude that's what is wrong with the personnel in this industry. Wow you fought the notion of paying for training for 3 whole years? Then what your moral sense of right and wrong collapsed? So what you got the left seat of a 120 after 4.5 months, you still sold your soul. You should go the nearest bridge and jump, how can you look at yourself in the mirror. PFT Pu$$ie
PBR

 

[mnboyev]

I've been reading this crap for 11 pages... tit tat tit tat..... The utter stupidity of spending time reading everyone's garbage is mind boggling.
Well, here I am anyway.... Too many days off I guess.

Anywhooo here I go.... Heck, I dont like cleaning up after Fletch. He spilled his darn coffee all over my audio panel. We need to get some of them blue gloves to clean the grub off of the pedestal.

I agree with all the leadership style posts.... Plus ... its a little easier to tidy up a bus or 9 vs an international bound 767.... So all you lofty pilot wannabees give it up....

 

[slowto250]

I've been reading this crap for 11 pages... tit tat tit tat..... The utter stupidity of spending time reading everyone's garbage is mind boggling.
Well, here I am anyway.... Too many days off I guess.

Anywhooo here I go.... Heck, I dont like cleaning up after Fletch. He spilled his darn coffee all over my audio panel. We need to get some of them blue gloves to clean the grub off of the pedestal.

I agree with all the leadership style posts.... Plus ... its a little easier to tidy up a bus or 9 vs an international bound 767.... So all you lofty pilot wannabees give it up....

Hehehe....guilty as charged I suppose. Guess I'm gettin a little cranky in my old age (almost 50 !). LOL

 

[IB6 UB9]

Hehehe....guilty as charged I suppose. Guess I'm gettin a little cranky in my old age (almost 50 !). LOL

Just think, 10 more years until you get that job bagging groceries. What a tool.