Airlines where Pilots Clean the Cabin

[slowto250]

Someone in a much earlier post said it already. We have allowed management to lower the bar and degrade our profession immeasurably.

Save all your "teamwork" and " I'm not above manual labor" bullsh!t for somebody who gives a damm.

Most of you pukes (and you know who you are), don't know the meaning of dignity or self respect. Get off your collective knees, before your kids are too embarrassed to admit they're related to you.

 

[IB6 UB9]

took you almost a month to come up with that...?

 

[slowto250]

took you almost a month to come up with that...?

UBstupid,
Just read the thread tonight for the first time. Got a problem with the content of my post ? If not, STFU.

 

[Ralgha]

I got a problem with your attitude.

I don't think pilots should be REQUIRED to clean the airplane, but if you're too conceited to lend a hand if you've got nothing else to do, then you're simply a jerk.

If you see someone having trouble negotiating the stairs are you just going to stand there and watch because it's not your job to help them? If someone asks you where their gate is, are you going to blow them off because it's not your job? Think about what you would do if the positions were reversed next time someone lends you a hand, or maybe you don't get any help because you're a self-important prick.

If management tells me that I have to clean the airplane, then I'd have a problem with that. If I don't have anything else to do but stand there and watch the FA straighten things up, then I'll help, because it's the decent thing to do.

 

[slowto250]

I got a problem with your attitude.

I don't think pilots should be REQUIRED to clean the airplane, but if you're too conceited to lend a hand if you've got nothing else to do, then you're simply a jerk.

If you see someone having trouble negotiating the stairs are you just going to stand there and watch because it's not your job to help them? If someone asks you where their gate is, are you going to blow them off because it's not your job? Think about what you would do if the positions were reversed next time someone lends you a hand, or maybe you don't get any help because you're a self-important prick.

If management tells me that I have to clean the airplane, then I'd have a problem with that. If I don't have anything else to do but stand there and watch the FA straighten things up, then I'll help, because it's the decent thing to do.

Well now, another voice of experience heard from. Just how much transport category / scheduled 121 experience, ya got logged junior ? Care to talk about a subject with which you have some familiarity ?

Last time I checked, flight officers had a few duties prescribed by the FAA and our operations manual, that might just conflict with your rush to earn that boyscout merit badge, or desire to play suzie homemaker.

Why don't you start a new thread called " I'm a desperate sniveling low time dork, who will lick anyones boots who'll let me fly a big shiny jet".

Just the kinda puke I referred to in my previous post.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Well now, another voice of experience heard from. Just how much transport category / scheduled 121 experience, ya got logged junior ? Care to talk about a subject with which you have some familiarity ?

Last time I checked, flight officers had a few duties prescribed by the FAA and our operations manual, that might just conflict with your rush to earn that boyscout merit badge, or desire to play suzie homemaker.

Why don't you start a new thread called " I'm a desperate sniveling low time dork, who will lick anyones boots who'll let me fly a ose big shiny jet".

Just the kinda puke I referred to in my previous post.

Well! I'll bet people fight each other over crewing YOUR flights.
Getting OFF them, I mean.
I hope that when you upgrade, you never speak to your f/os / crews this way. If you do, someday, someone will sit back and watch you f***up bigtime hoping you get your comeuppance, with possibly fatal results for all. And it will be YOUR fault! Very common CRM pitfall. You should consider attending a session. Maybe a remedial session...
This person's comment has nothing to do with how many hours he's sat on his a** in 121 experience. It's about leadership and teamwork and how it's built. I'd bet money you never threw a fallen bag back onto the beltloader during your walkaround, or said hello to a "lowly" fueler. At my previous (ALPA) carrier, nothing was said about crossing belts. Those of that did, when time permitted, enjoyed much better communication and teamwork.
You ever hear that story about "Who's packing YOUR parachute?"

And I'll match your 121 experience any time you want...

 

[slowto250]

Perhaps we flew together, Oldfreightdog. I was the guy in operations checking the weather for my assigned flight.

I think I remember you. Weren't you the janitor, cleverly disguised as a pilot ?

Didn't you read my post, where I said not to give me any of that "teamwork" bullsh!t ? This ain't about CRM. It's about pilots demeaning themselves, all under the pretense of "chipping in". A clever little management ploy that preys on their pitiful desire to remain employed as crewmembers, at any cost. Take a good look at the passengers faces when they realize that the guy in charge of their ultimate safety on the outbound leg, is collecting trash from the seatback pockets.

Have another swig of that Kool-aid they're serving.
You wouldn't be one of those guys that crossed the line at my previous ALPA carrier would ya ?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

And since when is bring coffee to the flight deck part of the flight attendant duties? It isn't at our airline, it's a courtesy that they offer to the flight crew so why can't I offer them the same courtesy and help them out? Am I so high and mighty because I'm wearing a prissy-looking white shirt with stripes on it that I can't help out? Give me a fricking break, why are we making such a big deal about this? We are part of a crew, lets fricking act like it.

Maybe because it isn't the F/As' job to clean the cabin either.
Nothing wrong with picking up the big pieces, but I'll be darned if I'll get on my knees and shovel crumbs. Let me know the next time you see an elite coporate type doing that. I've found using your feet to distribute the crumbs under the seats can make for a quite presentable cabin.

 

[semperfido]

Let me know the next time you see an elite coporate type doing that.

i have been known to occasionally vacuum and most of us wouldn't consider ourselves as elite. see definition.

e·lite or é·lite n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. 1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
   2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

i have been known to occasionally vacuum and most of us wouldn't consider ourselves as elite. see definition.

e·lite or é·lite n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. 1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
   2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

The 'elite' in my vocabulary is always tounge-in-cheek. You're obvisouly NOT airline managment. They're a special elite breed.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

You wouldn't be one of those guys that crossed the line at my previous ALPA carrier would ya ?

No, I have never scabbed. Nice try at changing the subject.
People like you that must stand behind an "image" must lack some basic self-confidence.
Discussion with you is like teaching a pig to sing. It just sounds bad and annoys the pig. Nothing further from me on this subject.

 

[B6Guy]

Therapy Time

Hey Slow, you are late for your therapy session, now go get into your uniform, stand in front of the mirror, put your hat on at a jaunty angle, and repeat after me:

I'M A PILOT, I'M SPECIAL, I'M ABOVE HELPING LOWLY CREWMWMBERS, I'M SPECIAL, I MUST IGNORE OTHERS TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF, I'M SPECIAL, IF I ACT ALOOF OTHERS WILL THINK I'M SPECIAL.

Now beat your chest, pat yourself on the back and repeat the above process three times.

There, now don't you feel better??

Yep you're cool, aloof and special. And probably working for an airline loosing money to support your attitude and work ethic.

'you were in operations checking weather' what antiquanted airline do you work for that you can't telephone for weather? You have to walk to the operations shack and get a 'personal briefing'? Oh, if forgot, if you walk to operations, you get to parade yourself past the passengers in your uniform and act SPECIAL for a big audience. Especially if you get to carry some paperwork back to the cockpit with you. OOOOOOhhh SO SPECIAL !!

Get help, you need it.

 

[zonker]

This thread should be a case study entitled, "Don't Feed the Troll."

 

[slowto250]

Telephone for weather ? Telephone ? Yeah, that's how I wanna get my radar summary info. and check prog charts.

Ain't you got some vomit to clean up in 22C ?

I suppose you really have no choice now do you, without any collective bargaining or representation.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

"Paging Captain Blue, cleanup in aisle 22, paging..."

 

[slowto250]

No, I have never scabbed. Nice try at changing the subject.
People like you that must stand behind an "image" must lack some basic self-confidence.
Discussion with you is like teaching a pig to sing. It just sounds bad and annoys the pig. Nothing further from me on this subject.

No attempt was made to change the subject. Just can't understand how a former card carrying member like yourself thinks it OK to start packing a whisk broom and cleaning solvent in his flight bag. I'm no prima donna. In fact at my old carrier, I would have risked being reported by another worker for attempting to perform their union protected duties.

I'm also certain that many here would tell me that maybe that's why our carrier couldn't cut it, in todays environment. That perhaps we needed to adapt or die.
I would submit though, that pilot's pitching in to help in the cabin is not the real issue.
Union busting, deregulation, and bought and paid for capitol hill types, are.

Just pains me to see professionals bow to the whim of greedy management types who don't give a hoot about ours, or our children's future.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Yep you're cool, aloof and special. And probably working for an airline loosing money to support your attitude and work ethic.

He doesn't work or an airline. He works for Net Jets. He hasn't worked for an airline since he was an f/o at EAL.
I think this explains why he is so bitter. He has to REALLY clean his airplane!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Perhaps we flew together, Oldfreightdog. I was the guy in operations checking the weather for my assigned flight. I think I remember you. Weren't you the janitor, cleverly disguised as a pilot ?

Wow, NetJets is bigger than I thought. They have operations desks at all the FBOs you charter from.

 

[MD80DRVR]

I would love to know how many of these guys have their apps. in at JetBlue......

 

[B6Guy]

Paging Captain Blue

Not bad OakumBoy got a laugh from me.

Just to set the record straight, we have cleaners who clean the lavs and the puke, the gum ground into the carpet, and the food fight rows.

You won't see a pilot with a bucket and scrub-brush. Once in awhile I put on gloves if I have time to really help, but usually just cross seat belts and unplug and toss out headsets. Certainly not a 'janatorial' operation.

The few times I've had connecting customers staying onboard when I had gloves on and helping with straightening up the cabin, the customers have had nothing but positive comments about 'team efforts', 'work ethic', and the quality service from the entire crew. Nobody has ever wondered why I wasn't in the cockpit 'doing my lofty job'

Take care