Air Tran gives 3 year old the boot

[Dan Roman]

Megadeath, Hat's off to you if you know being a Mom is not for you. There are plenty of parents out there that shouldn't be. That said, I hope your not saying that being an "airline pilot" is somehow a higher calling or better in some way than being a Mom.
As far as this string goes, I just read Newsweek and they had an interview with Leonard DiCaprio saying he got thrown off the set of Romper Room at the age of 3 because he was grabbing the camera and yelling "look at me!"
The point is 3 year olds can be a handful, it doesn't mean they are evil. I heard a quote once that said the "mover's and shakers of the world" were the "movers and shakers of the house" when they were young. None of us were there, so it's a little weak to think we know what's right. That said, you anal guys that think your so wonderful because you were spanked "and kids need more discipline today" in reality may not be as wonderful as you think you are. Most of the people I've met with that attitude are a little warped.

 

[Phaedrus]

We are long past the time when people HAD to have kids to keep the farm running. There is NO reason to have kids nowadays other than personal reasons. Some may even say selfish reasons.

I seriously cant think of one reason someone NEEDS to have children.

Think harder. Seriously.

 

[kf4amu]

Think harder. Seriously.

Why dont you help me out.

 

[AC560]

Why dont you help me out.

Well I think it has something to do with people dying and needing new people to replace them. Some call that selfish, others call that self preservation.

 

[kf4amu]

Well I think it has something to do with people dying and needing new people to replace them. Some call that selfish, others call that self preservation.

With 7 billion people in the world, I'm hardly worried about self preservation.

 

[Phaedrus]

Oh, right I forgot. We're overpopulated! If you allotted 1250 square feet to each person, all the people in the world would fit into the state of Texas. Try the math yourself: 7,438,152,268,800 square feet in Texas, divided by the world population of 5,860,000,000, equals 1269 square feet per person. The population density of this giant city would be about 21,000 — somewhat more than San Francisco and less than the Bronx. (Envoy, 1998)
Granted I wouldn't want to live in San Fran or the Bronx, but it is, at the very least, an eye opening snippet of the vast space that is available. Of course we all know that there is more than space needed to support a population.

 

[AC560]

With 7 billion people in the world, I'm hardly worried about self preservation.

You probably would in a couple of years if there weren't any additions to that number.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Megadeath, Hat's off to you if you know being a Mom is not for you. There are plenty of parents out there that shouldn't be. That said, I hope your not saying that being an "airline pilot" is somehow a higher calling or better in some way than being a Mom.

Whoa! I didn't say being a mom is not for me. I want to have kids someday. I said that there is more to life than "just being a mom"....ie. you can be a mom and do other things such as having a career. I am not trying to start a stay-at-home mom vs. working mom argument.

No, I don't think being an airline pilot is better than being a mom. I do think that a person (man or woman) who just gets out of h.s., say, stays at home and starts having kids is not very bright, IMO, especially in this day and age. It's not 1950 anymore. This situation just sets you up to rely solely on someone else and that is not too smart. What if your husband dies or something? Now, you are screwed. (And, no, life insurance is not a good enough back up plan) If you set yourself up with some kind of back up plan (be it college degree or trade), now you can take care of yourself and your kids. There is nothing that pi$$es me off more than a person that is looking for someone to take care of them.

 

[Lear70]

With 7 billion people in the world, I'm hardly worried about self preservation.

You should be. Or at least worried about preserving your own way of life for your own offspring.

Out of that 7 Billion you mention, you have about 60 million IN THIS COUNTRY ALONE on some type of government aid / welfare.

I'm not saying to go out and have 20 kids, but I believe being an intelligent, college-educated professional I should at least try to bring another of the same into the world to offset the millions who reproduce large numbers of fairly useless, marginally-intelligent, and altogether non-productive members of society.

 

[Phaedrus]

Lear70: Did you just watch Idiocracy?

 

[Lear70]

No, why?

Saw it on Netflix but haven't rented it yet,,,

 

[capt. megadeth]

I believe being an intelligent, college-educated professional I should at least try to bring another of the same into the world to offset the millions who reproduce large numbers of fairly useless, marginally-intelligent, and altogether non-productive members of society.

Good point.

 

[Phaedrus]

Because that is the entire premise of the movie. Very funny at first, but kinda goes whack near the end. You should rent it.

 

[kf4amu]

Good point.

Agreed

 

[Lear70]

Cool. I'll move it to the top of the queu, been meaning to watch that and "An Inconvenient Truth".

With me on this trip is, "The Transporter 2" and "Crank".

Truly cerebral.

 

[Phaedrus]

Cerebral, no doubt. I think you'll like Crank. Strap in.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Feed her some Xanax 1 hour before the flight. She'll be quite the happy camper....

 

[NuGuy]

We are long past the time when people HAD to have kids to keep the farm running. There is NO reason to have kids nowadays other than personal reasons. Some may even say selfish reasons.

I seriously cant think of one reason someone NEEDS to have children.

Therefore, no one has a right to inconvenience others in any way shape or form by their CHOICE to have children. Just like I may want to have a 4000 watt stereo in my car, but playing it loudly in certain areas is illegal. You need a 4000 watt stereo just as much as you NEED children.

Well, the number one reason to reproduce is to give future generations the blessing of your genes.

I, for example, have a superior genome, and it would be a crime to deprive the human race of my qualtiy genetic material.

If you DON'T think like that, even somewhere in the back of your head, you have no reason to exist. You are just wasting oxygen and other resources.

This is BASIC genetic biology...literally the meaning of life.

Nu

 

[Lear70]

ROFLMAO!

That's pretty funny stuff right thar!

 

[learflyer]

I'm happy for all you folks that want/have chillins'. It is not and never was for me. It scares the pi$$ out of me frankly. I just see things differently. I see mothers struggling in the stores with their kids with an unhappy nasty looking face on them. That's rewarding? To me, there is nothing noble about it. To those who ask me "Well, who is going to take care of you when you get old"? Oh, great point, I better go out and have a child now.......I don't know, some hot nurse? Do you guys (who've moved away from there parents) take care of your elderly parents? Believe it or not, kids are molded by there friends, not there parents. You can give them the best up bringing in the world, and as soon as they have that first beer, or smoke that first fatty, it's all a crap shoot. Good luck!

 

[Dan Roman]

Whoa! I didn't say being a mom is not for me. I want to have kids someday. I said that there is more to life than "just being a mom"....ie. you can be a mom and do other things such as having a career. I am not trying to start a stay-at-home mom vs. working mom argument.

No, I don't think being an airline pilot is better than being a mom. I do think that a person (man or woman) who just gets out of h.s., say, stays at home and starts having kids is not very bright, IMO, especially in this day and age. It's not 1950 anymore. This situation just sets you up to rely solely on someone else and that is not too smart. What if your husband dies or something? Now, you are screwed. (And, no, life insurance is not a good enough back up plan) If you set yourself up with some kind of back up plan (be it college degree or trade), now you can take care of yourself and your kids. There is nothing that pi$$es me off more than a person that is looking for someone to take care of them.

Sorry MegaDeath, I owe you an apology (although I didn't mean to sound critical, just making the point about different stokes for different folks).
I've got 2 kids 12 and 15. Before they were 5 they had done a lot of traveling. More than once FA's would comment how good they were, once a lady came up to me at the end of a 5 hr flight and made a point of saying how good they were and what a nice Dad I was (My wife was in First), am I boasting? A little, but only to contrast one flight we had that the 2 perfect little travelers went off big time! I'll spare you the details, but suffice to say I thought their heads were going to rotate 360 degrees and green vomit was pending. It happens and none of us are perfect. Seems to me the people on here that are getting a free ride and than being judgemental about kids behavior are the ones with the entitlement problem.
If you have kids someday it dosn't have to turn your life upside down and turn you into a K-Mart Mommy. MY wife has had a great career in Physical Therapy AND is a great Mom. I spend a lot of time with my kids but I still spend a lot of quality time with my wife AND I still surf almost as much as I did before we had kids (I bid reserve a lot too!). We treat each other as equal partners and best friends and it works for us.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Sorry MegaDeath, I owe you an apology (although I didn't mean to sound critical, just making the point about different stokes for different folks).

If you have kids someday it dosn't have to turn your life upside down and turn you into a K-Mart Mommy. MY wife has had a great career in Physical Therapy AND is a great Mom. I spend a lot of time with my kids but I still spend a lot of quality time with my wife AND I still surf almost as much as I did before we had kids (I bid reserve a lot too!). We treat each other as equal partners and best friends and it works for us.

No need to apologize....I agree it's different strokes for different folks. I just feel really strongly about not relying on others. I think I get if from watching my mom struggle her entire life without an education cuz my dad was worthless as a provider.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The situation you have is exactly how I would like mine to turn out.....mom (even though being a mom scares me $hitless to be honest with you) and career, equal partnership with hubby, etc. I think that's the best of both worlds.

 

[scoreboard]

A 5 minute trip to the lav could have solved the whole situation.

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5 Minutes? What are doing for the other 4 minutes and 55 seconds?

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Letting her cry out the butt whuppin you just put on her...

 

[ultrarunner]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070123/ap_on_re_us/flight_tantrum
front page news, I say thank god. People need to learn how to control their kids. Nothing like getting you seat kicked for 2 hours on a commute.

Yeah, thow 'em off. If you can't freaking control your kid after 15 minutes and you're still at the gate and can't freaking push back 'cause the little $hit won't get in their seat, it's time to toss the little $hit and give the parents the time to give the little crapper an attitude adjustment.

I got no prob with this. WTF is everyone one so worked up about. WTF is the expectation of the parents that don't have control? Wait another 15, 30, 60...whatever??? Call it, move on, push back.

Give this stuff a break!

 

[ultrarunner]

Dude, my mom got pregnant with me on accident

I always love that quote. By accident...hehehe

I say that unless you're ACTIVELY TRYING TO PREVENT IT, you're tying to get knocked up!

Flame away.

 

[climbhappy]

As a parent, I have found that you have to rule the kingdom. you cannot tolerate crap, and misbehavior. As the dad, if the wife is one of these mollycoddly , "oh don't hit junior types," well then you say pardon me dear and knock him into next week. At that age they can discern what the parent considers correct. They have never corrected that kid in my view and when they're 16 they'll reap the consequences. By age five the experts say, the behaviors for life are clearly in place. my old man was a officer who beat the crap out fo me when i got out of line. so i didn't get out of line much.
Too bad, California wants to raise up a generation of nut jobs with this no spanking rule.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I always love that quote. By accident...hehehe

I say that unless you're ACTIVELY TRYING TO PREVENT IT, you're tying to get knocked up!

Flame away.

You talkin $hit about my momma? You betta check yo self before yo wreck yo self.

 

[capt. megadeth]

As a parent, I have found that you have to rule the kingdom. you cannot tolerate crap, and misbehavior. As the dad, if the wife is one of these mollycoddly , "oh don't hit junior types," well then you say pardon me dear and knock him into next week. At that age they can discern what the parent considers correct. They have never corrected that kid in my view and when they're 16 they'll reap the consequences. By age five the experts say, the behaviors for life are clearly in place. my old man was a officer who beat the crap out fo me when i got out of line. so i didn't get out of line much.
Too bad, California wants to raise up a generation of nut jobs with this no spanking rule.

Amen bro! Amen!

 

[Puck Mugger]

If you have temperamental children or cannot control them you should be removed from the aircraft. Kudos to the Tranny crew. Use any argument you want but...

Flying is not your right, it is a priveledge.

Actually, it's a COMMODITY.