Air Tran 717 to Delta, Avondale Partners

[jonjuan]

After 14 posts in this thread, here is the first one to contain any facts:


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] MEDIATION DATES: September 13-14 September 26-27

ARBITRATION DATES: October 11-14, November 14-17, December, 13-16


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I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas.........(sung to Bing Crosby).

 

[Sacha]

Ty,

Doesn't your fragmentation language say the pilots go with the jets? How would this 717 to Delta scenario play out?

Gup

Like Tony Soprano going fishing with his brother-in-law.

"but Tony, I thought we wuz family and all. Why ya doin dis to me?"

 

[OldManPilot]

I am truly amazed at the Ill-will being wished upon the pilots at AT. Many of us have been in total support of SW since this deal was announced. To wish us on the street, with no way to support our families is despicable.
I am ashamed of ANY fellow pilot who would wish such a result.

 

[ASADFW7]

It is SWA the company that makes fleet decisions, not the SWA pilot group.

 

[Empennage]

I am truly amazed at the Ill-will being wished upon the pilots at AT. Many of us have been in total support of SW since this deal was announced. To wish us on the street, with no way to support our families is despicable.
I am ashamed of ANY fellow pilot who would wish such a result.

No oldman. Not true.

 

[GuppyWN]

I am truly amazed at the Ill-will being wished upon the pilots at AT. Many of us have been in total support of SW since this deal was announced. To wish us on the street, with no way to support our families is despicable.
I am ashamed of ANY fellow pilot who would wish such a result.

Funny you should say that. I just erased a post saying that I STILL think we can all work together for the betterment of The Company.

I wish no AirTran employee ill will. But make no mistake, Family comes first.

Gup

 

[Roomwithaview]

OldmanP

I am truly amazed at the Ill-will being wished upon the pilots at AT. Many of us have been in total support of SW since this deal was announced. To wish us on the street, with no way to support our families is despicable.
I am ashamed of ANY fellow pilot who would wish such a result.

If you are referencing my quote you misinterpreted it. The "delicious irony" would be the monumental $hit $torm that would ensue on Flight Info if the 717 pilots of the former AAI were now going to be integrated into DAL.

 

[redflyer65]

Actually, let's all hail the 717 going to Delta. I think that idea is FANTASTIC!

Gup

GODSPEED Gup!

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Ty,

Doesn't your fragmentation language say the pilots go with the jets? How would this 717 to Delta scenario play out?

Gup

It states that pilots must be integrated into the company that bought AirTran. Did Delta buy AirTran?
SWA owns AirTran today. Your point?

 

[redflyer65]

Nice try Fly,

Airtran is owned by Texas LLC. If the 717 is sold to Delta, so go the pilots.

RF

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Not a week has past since Mr. Kelly said:

“Our jobs are secure at Southwest and at AirTran, and we’re going to work very hard to take care of all of our People.”

" It is very important, of course, to integrate all of our AirTran Family Members into the Southwest Family. "

"The success of this integration is critical to the future of this Company, and we must remember to respect one another along the way."

Should I listen to SWA veteran - CEO of one of the most successful businesses in America, or to some 5 year FO who managed to squeak by the interview process?

 

[B727Driver]

If you are referencing my quote you misinterpreted it. The "delicious irony" would be the monumental $hit $torm that would ensue on Flight Info if the 717 pilots of the former AAI were now going to be integrated into DAL.

Integrated ahead of OYS!!!!

 

[Roomwithaview]

Fbc

Should I listen to SWA veteran - CEO of one of the most successful businesses in America, or to some 5 year FO who managed to squeak by the interview process?

I'd keep listening to your MEC. They are one you pay and put in the position to negotiate for you. Stick to plan A

 

[texman]

Fly, this is true. What you seem to not understand is you are secure at AT. Quit thinking like a pilot. You should trust GK, but verify. In the end you will have a job, but where that job might be who knows.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Fly, this is true. What you seem to not understand is you are secure at AT. Quit thinking like a pilot. You should trust GK, but verify. In the end you will have a job, but where that job might be who knows.

Did you read just first 5 words of my post?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

I don't know if you got the memo - ATN MEC voted down the AIP.

ALL SWAPA propaganda and fear campaign aimed at swinging AT pilots' vote is suspended till further notice.

Except for when the AIP2 will be out for a vote, you guys will not have time to blast us with propaganda on FI. You will be screaming at the top of your lungs at SC at roadshows and on SWAPA forum.

 

[Andy]

I am truly amazed at the Ill-will being wished upon the pilots at AT. Many of us have been in total support of SW since this deal was announced. To wish us on the street, with no way to support our families is despicable.
I am ashamed of ANY fellow pilot who would wish such a result.

I don't have a dog in this fight and my busted career in civil aviation is well documented on this board.
I don't know how this will end. I've posted various possible scenarios that are possible. Whether or not they come to pass is anyone's guess.

My caution to all AirTran pilots is to not win a Pyrrhic Victory. I've seen too many of those 'victories' by pilots who have followed ALPO over the cliff.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Fbc

I don't know if you got the memo - ATN MEC voted down the AIP.

Could I have been more clear that I understand, acknowledge, and have thanked them profusely for doing so?

ALL SWAPA propaganda and fear campaign aimed at swinging AT pilots' vote is suspended till further notice.

I intentionally stayed off Flight info while the "voting" was being bandied about for this exact reason. So as not give the perception of selling anything.

Except for when the AIP2 will be out for a vote, you guys will not have time to blast us with propaganda on FI. You will be screaming at the top of your lungs at SC at roadshows and on SWAPA forum

Now who is full of hyperbole and fear? Really? I mean did Steve Chase sleep with your girlfriend or something? I have never personally attacked your Union president, the MEC or the WGAC (we got acquired committee). Why do you feel the need to have some personal vendetta over who could very well be your future president?

Keep fantasizing about the Windfall you think you're going to be handed by some arbitrator. I'm sure this is the only thing that helps you sleep better at night. If I were in your shoes I think I'd be trying to come up with a different strategy.

 

[puddlejumper101]

I am truly amazed at the Ill-will being wished upon the pilots at AT. Many of us have been in total support of SW since this deal was announced. To wish us on the street, with no way to support our families is despicable.
I am ashamed of ANY fellow pilot who would wish such a result.

I can only speak for myself, even though many here probably feel the same way to some degree. I don't wish any ill will to anyone at ATN, but I do think you guys got taken hostage by your FAB-7. I think when this announcement first came out of ATN/SWA, many of us were ready to embrace you guys as I am sure you guys were ready to embrace us. The problem is not the ATN pilots, its ALPA. They, kind of, have taken this SLI hostage. Like I said in another post, there is a point where SWA MGMNT won't want to deal with ALPA. There might also be fears that once this thing is over, the ALPA mentality will be present with some of your guys. The word ALPA here at SWA has the same effect as a pile of SH&% on a white table cloth. I think if ALPA gives Gary time, at least grant him his wish to settle outside arbitration then there is hope. I also believe that SWA MGMNT knows some, or most, of you guys are not in line with ALPA but how do you keep that 10% away from SWA? Not that our 10% is better or worse, but at least SWA hired them and let them slip through. Here the front door is wide open for the 10%, and Gary might want to close the door once he saw how that 10% really was.

 

[texman]

Fly, I read your post. I am not trying to fear monger or whish ill will. I just would like for you to take a break and let GK,Swa,Swapa,Alpa handle your future. It's all good. If you are a capt or FO when it is all done you still will have a job. A good one at that.