Air midwest crashes into hangar @ CLT??

[eaglefly]

ANU = Attitude Nose Up.

 

[PiperDriver]

"No flight attendants were on the plane because it was a short flight."

It is from this cnn story.

I thought the FO was the FA on a B1900?

 

[jsoceanlord]

as far as being out of cg, someone awhile back on this board said they were in a 1900 and he accidentally had the FA move the passengers aft, instead of forward, and that they almost crashed.

 

[boscenter]

The NTSB is saying that the elevator trim tab was suspect in this accident...

NTSB Cites Tail Equipment in N.C. Crash

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - A key piece of guidance equipment in the tail of a commuter plane was moving erratically before the plane crashed here this week, killing all 21 people aboard, a federal investigator said Thursday.

National Transportation Safety Board member John Goglia said information from the flight data recorder has led investigators to take a close look at the airplane's elevator. The equipment determines whether the plane goes up or down — and how steeply.

The data recorder shows the plane took off with its nose up 7 degrees, which is normal takeoff pitch. The pitch was 52 degrees by the time the plane reached 1,200 feet.

"Something occurred to drive that pitch angle to 52 degrees," Goglia said. "That is abnormal."

The Beech 1900 had an elevator tab replaced at an Air Midwest facility in Huntington, W.Va., on Monday. The data recorder shows the elevator had moved erratically since then.

"We need to know which procedures were followed at the maintenance facility," Goglia said.

Any erratic motion may not have influenced seven other flights between the maintenance and the doomed takeoff. But the plane was near weight capacity Wednesday, which may have been a factor in the crash.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...e=3&u=/ap/20030109/ap_on_re_us/plane_crash_39

 

[Typhoon1244]

...information from the flight data recorder has led investigators to take a close look at the airplane's elevator....The data recorder shows the plane took off with its nose up 7 degrees, which is normal takeoff pitch. The pitch was 52 degrees by the time the plane reached 1,200 feet.

...hmm.

 

[flydog]

The commuter jet that crashed Wednesday, killing all 21 people on board, was loaded so heavily that a ramp worker refused to sign paperwork allowing it to take off, investigators told NBC News on Thursday. The plane was allowed to take off only after a supervisor signed the documents instead, even though the plane was loaded within 100 pounds of its maximum permissible weight and a key guidance mechanism had undergone extensive repairs only two days previously.

 

[Huck]

The crash was over Cerritos in 1986. It was an Aeromexico 9 and a Cherokee.

 

[chperplt]

From CNN


-- FAA orders Air Midwest to immediately inspect 45 planes that were serviced at same facility as one that crashed Wednesday.
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The commuter jet that crashed Wednesday, killing all 21 people on board, was loaded so heavily that a ramp worker refused to sign paperwork allowing it to take off, investigators told NBC News on Thursday. The plane was allowed to take off only after a supervisor signed the documents instead, even though the plane was loaded within 100 pounds of its maximum permissible weight and a key guidance mechanism had undergone extensive repairs only two days previously.

Since when does any ramp worker give a rats a@@ about paperwork??

Last time I checked, 100 under max (17020 in this case) was legal and within limits.

 

[Timebuilder]

Maybe he thought the plane should stay on the ground, and knew he could never get a set of chocks into those intakes!

 

[jjbiv]

Here's one ramper/CSA that gives a "rats [sic] a." about paperwork. I'd sooner quit than knowingly submit an inaccurate load slip. At C8, a single ramper is responsible for the load being accurately accounted for and they then sign the load slip and pass it to the crew. It may not be an FAR requirement (like signing the release), but I take my responsibility to provide accurate information seriously. Unfortunately, not all ramp peeps are so motivated (or possess a sense of conscience, for that matter). Then again, some of our crew members are equally prone to "looking the other way." The sword cuts both ways: it isn't just a matter of "rampies don't give a darn."

joe