Ailerons

[Stryker]

The spoilers on the beech truck both extend at the same time when used as speed brakes, and still travel up and down with movement of the yoke when turning although its like driving a tractor in this configuration and just as loud

 

[PIO]

Don't forget elevons and I saw an old glider once where each wing (right and left) moved independant of the other for roll control.

 

[91100 100 set]

The Wright flyer was not the only plane to use wing warping back in those days. I understand it was the common method of lateral control for most aircraft until the mid-1910's. A few very early WW1 aircraft used wing-warping, including the Fokker Eindecker (the aircraft responsible for the "Fokker Scourge", courtesy of the interrupter gear that allowed the gun to fire through the prop arc).

 

[hindsight2020]

"differential stabilator" == elevons

 

[PIO]

"differential stabilator" == elevons

I was thinking elevons as on a delta wing.

 

[Wasted]

"differential stabilator" == elevons

The differential stabilator is actually called a taileron. They are the all moving tail surfaces on aircraft such as F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, F-18s, etc. that move together to provide pitch and differentially to provide roll control. http://homepages.enterprise.net/corkish/History/flight_control.htm

Elevons, as used in delta winged aircraft such as Mirages, are similar in that they provide both pitch and roll, but are not stabilators since they are part of the wing surface.

 

[TonyC]

... Boeing 727s have spoilerons.

I'm contemplating returning my 727 type rating, since I have never heard of such devices on the old Boeing.


Better yet, I decided to pull up the ole flight manual in Adobe and search for "spoileron". Care to guess how many times it shows up?

Finished searching for:

spoileron

Total instances found:

0

... I don't remember the exact flap setting when the spoilers started working in conjunction with the ailerons. Regardless, when you've got spoilers and ailerons working together - you've got spoilerons.

I knew you knew that.

Umm, I didn't know THAT either. Does that fall into the category of "alternate vocabulary"? As Donsa320 has already pointed out, your memory on the subject (flap setting?!?!) is a bit hazy. I think your memory of the vocabulary is also suspect. The 727 has ailerons and spoilers. Using them at the same time makes them spoilerons no more than using the lav and the autopilot at the same time makes it a ... ahh, never mind.








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[bafanguy]

As Donsa320 has already pointed out, your memory on the subject (flap setting?!?!) is a bit hazy.








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Tony,

As one old guy standing behind fellow old guy, he said it was 20 years since he has flown the 727. Come back in 20 years and we'll give you an oral on the airplane and see how you do.

Be nice, Man. You usually are.

I flew the CV880 and the 737 30+ years ago, but today couldn't give you many accurate answers to questions about them. But I might try to be helpful in a discussion if questions came up.

 

[Lead Sled]

As one old guy standing behind fellow old guy, he said it was 20 years since he has flown the 727. Come back in 20 years and we'll give you an oral on the airplane and see how you do.

Thanks bafanguy, but I'm only getting what I deserved - I was a little too "aggressive" in my position and I was wrong. Like I said, it's been since April of 1985 since I last had a front row seat in a 727 and a lot of water (and over 10,000 hours of jet time) has passed under that bridge. The 'ol memory ain't what it used to be.

'Sled

 

[Stepclimb]

Roll control in the BUFF

B-52 uses spoilers only. The roll trim just resets the neutral point of the spoilers.

I may be dating myself but...
Only the short tail BUFF's lacked ailerons. The B-52 A through F had ailerons and spoilers for roll control. They also had one less set of spoilers on each wing and miles of bleed air plumbing to run everything from generators and hydraulics in the fuselage.

 

[TonyC]

Tony,

As one old guy standing behind fellow old guy, ...

Be nice, Man. You usually are.

I apologize if I came across as harsh. I shoulda put more of them smiley thingies in there.


Sorry, Lead Sled. I'll be more light-hearted in my pickin'-on in the future.



But you really did have me goin' for a few minutes. I've been wrong plenty of times, and I really did search the flight manual before I opened my mouth. Imagine how embarrassed I might have been had I said there ain't no spoilerons, and then had found them.

So at least I got that goin' for me...





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[Lead Sled]

I apologize if I came across as harsh. I shoulda put more of them smiley thingies in there.

Sorry, Lead Sled. I'll be more light-hearted in my pickin'-on in the future.

But you really did have me goin' for a few minutes. I've been wrong plenty of times, and I really did search the flight manual before I opened my mouth. Imagine how embarrassed I might have been had I said there ain't no spoilerons, and then had found them.

So at least I got that goin' for me...

Hey, if you can't harrang your friends then just who can you harrang?

I've got my old 727 manuals buried somewhere, but I would have sworn that they called the spoiler augmented ailerons spoilerons. Oh well, they're all Jurrassic jets now. This fall it looks like I'm going to get the chance to learn another airplane - the Falcon 50. At least it has three engines.

'Sled

 

[bafanguy]

This fall it looks like I'm going to get the chance to learn another airplane - the Falcon 50. At least it has three engines.

'Sled

Falcon 50 ? Take me with ya, 'Sled...I don't smoke and if you smoke, I can always start.