Age 70 coming to an airline near you!

[Flopgut]

Personally I think it should be medical based and not any arbitrary number. Of course some of the guys complaining about age 65 and age 70 would probably lose their medicals instead of the some of the older gents.

Of course some of the "older gents" would lose their enthusiasm for 70 if we abandoned seniority and went with rostering and assignments. Get rid of seniority as the single factor in career advancement and I'll support no limit.

I'm afraid CAL might have two thirds of the pilots awarded the 787 be over 60. How are we suppose to operate the airplane?

19 pilots are retiring from CAL on the next bid. It's no coincidence, 9 out of 10 of the ones leaving have got it together. The ones that have to hang on never have and never will. The kind of pilots that share your opinion are not quite the esteemed sort you might think...

 

[pilotyip]

One of your shortest posts ever, hurry up and run to the mall for your walk before the stores open at 10am.

MSU was playing football, so I walked to the stadium, they won over WMU 38-14

 

[john cocktosen]

Notice all of the "70 is OK with me" responses coming from the 10000+ hr crew. The baby boomers are the most greedy, self-important, soon-to-be drags on society group to ever exist. They have been handed the strongest economic growth in the history of the world, and most have p!ssed it all away. Now my three young children, who will struggle to ever find gainful employment, will have to pay for all of their greed and waste. Congratulations to you, you have made us all "very proud".

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I agree 100%. great post!!! Don't forget the money you'll spend taking care of their old a$$es when they hit the retirement home.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/02/pf/caring_for_mom_and_dad.moneymag/index.htm

 

[waveflyer]

Shouldn't be able to captain >60

bring the experience- but decisions should be left to younger minds- pilots are too prideful to know when to hang it up

 

[instructordude]

Shouldn't be able to captain >60

bring the experience- but decisions should be left to younger minds- pilots are too prideful to know when to hang it up

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

 

[list2002]

A payscale that declines each year after 60 would comp for scheduling/staffing probs. Well, not if an airframe has over 75% crew over 60.

 

[bluefin]

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

OK, tell that to the federal government! Cut off to get a non-military flying job is 37, mandatory retirement at 57(good one at that) lots of furloughed guys pushed out the the gov job force cause of age...pot calling....

 

[livin'thesim]

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

Racist rally? That explains the african-american supporters who stood with him during the rally.

Look up "Alveda King". And next time do your homework.

 

[xjhawk]

thats because these A holes are only working 10-15 days a month and making 200k a year. What an awesome retirement job! When they want a longer stretch off, they just take one of the 4 weeks of vacation they have! I agree with the 65 rule, how else will survive when I am 65 having been a regional pilot my entire career because of this industry.

 

[hyflyin]

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

Are you kidding!!! Alveda King spoke at the rally!!!! MLKs own niece!!! She must be a racist hater now??? Get over the race card. We (white folk/ crackers) have given those communities more than enough to excel and they choose, YES CHOOSE, to continue to live in the slums!!!! The joke, name three things a black man will never achieve, has become a self fulfilling prophecy. The likes of sharpton and jackson have dooped those cultures into thinking that they are not able to achieve anything except handouts.

I don't agree with what O'Reily, Beck, Oberman, Maddow say about everything, but that rally was far from racist!!

And.... it is a well known, documented fact, that as we age, we "lose" our touch/ reflexes.... not to mention the fact that the older we get, the harder it is to adapt, learn, or change....

 

[hyflyin]

thats because these A holes are only working 10-15 days a month and making 200k a year. What an awesome retirement job! When they want a longer stretch off, they just take one of the 4 weeks of vacation they have! I agree with the 65 rule, how else will survive when I am 65 having been a regional pilot my entire career because of this industry.

Don't worry you won't. The majors are "takin it back". Apparently its your fault that RJs wound up flying the majority of US flying. What cracks me up, is that Alpa is collecting dues from regional pilots and using that money to pay the lawyers/ representatives/national who are now trying to help mainline bring the flying back that THEY lost. Nothing like paying your union to put you on the street.... Interesting concept. Can't believe somewhere in there is a severe conflict of interest.

Good luck, I feel for you brother, the street is cold.

 

[P38JLightning]

What cracks me up, is that Alpa is collecting dues from regional pilots and using that money to pay the lawyers/ representatives/national who are now trying to help mainline bring the flying back that THEY lost. Nothing like paying your union to put you on the street.... Interesting concept. Can't believe somewhere in there is a severe conflict of interest.

That is no more of a conflict than the mainline pilots paying dues to ALPA to help outsource all that flying to begin with. So the worst case from a regional lifer's perspective is that mainlines take back the flying they owned anyway. Regionals are ALWAYS free to try an Indy Air or a Republix Air Group experiment and see if it works. Then, if they so chose, regional pilots can allow outsourcing of planes to the legacy/major/mainline airlines for as little or as long as they want.

 

[hyflyin]

That is no more of a conflict than the mainline pilots paying dues to ALPA to help outsource all that flying to begin with.

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WHAT???? How did Alpa help outsource flying??? Maybe through very poor leadership?? I guess that is what your getting at.

I don't like what mainline did and definitely think the flying should come back for the good of the career, but a house divided will not stand. And brother, this house is divided and will be for years to come. Definitely not healthy for this career or the union.

 

[Beaver79]

Shouldn't be able to captain >60

bring the experience- but decisions should be left to younger minds- pilots are too prideful to know when to hang it up

Ah - arrogance. Fits just with the teet sucker generation. I work with quite a few 60+ year olds in and out of flying. The vast MAJORITY are very sharp. The minority are walking around confused.

 

[Nindiri]

thats because these A holes are only working 10-15 days a month and making 200k a year. What an awesome retirement job! When they want a longer stretch off, they just take one of the 4 weeks of vacation they have! I agree with the 65 rule, how else will survive when I am 65 having been a regional pilot my entire career because of this industry.

Yeah, it's a great gig. Life is good.

 

[Linedriver]

70 won't happen - for several years anyway. Have to get over the 65 hangover and then take a breather.

 

[waveflyer]

ehh don't worry about Indude- he's playing his FI character and is pretty good at it most times-

Ah - arrogance. Fits just with the teet sucker generation. I work with quite a few 60+ year olds in and out of flying. The vast MAJORITY are very sharp. The minority are walking around confused.

and that's why they can be FOs - stay in the flight deck and give aviation the benefit of experience- but they ought not be captains. There will be pilots whose skills will deteriorate- let the younger but also very experienced keep a watch out. The ONLY other option will be increased medical standards as we age- and we should ALL worry about that happening.

 

[P38JLightning]

WHAT???? How did Alpa help outsource flying??? Maybe through very poor leadership?? I guess that is what your getting at.

I don't like what mainline did and definitely think the flying should come back for the good of the career, but a house divided will not stand. And brother, this house is divided and will be for years to come. Definitely not healthy for this career or the union.

I agree the current system is not only harmful to everyone, it was born from ignorance, arrogance, greed, ego and fear. But the solution starts and ends with the mainline groups getting their houses in order. The trend of outsourcing needs to not only stop growing, but it needs to be reversed and the ONLY way to accomplish that is for mainline pilot groups to place it as the number one bargaining room priority. Fixing the issue has to come from the mainlines, because the regionals don't own one seat of the flying they do. The mainlines do own it and are free to bargain for it all back if they so chose to pay for it. The regionals can't bargain for one seat of outsourced flying other than bidding to be the cheapest and hoping their company wins the next CPA RFP.

Mainlines started the mistake, it is up to mainlines to fix it.

 

[pilotyip]

walking around confused?

Ah - arrogance. Fits just with the teet sucker generation. I work with quite a few 60+ year olds in and out of flying. The vast MAJORITY are very sharp. The minority are walking around confused.

and there is no under age 60 displaying this same walking around confused? If we really want to do this retirement age correctly in the name of safety, we take the age of pilot that experiences an in-flight incapacitation, say a heart attack at age 47, and that becomes the new retirement age. BTW Never mind that this 47 year old pilot, smoked, weighted 300 pounds, 38% body fat, Type two diabetic, and had a sleep disorder. Remember this is about age and has nothing to do with an individual's condition.

 

[fullsail]

I wonder how many of you pro Age 70 guys are furloughed right now? Thanks guys...just what I need....extend my furlough by yet another 5 years...great.