Age 70 coming to an airline near you!

[8v8tr]

Just to give everyone heads up. At the ALPA National Meeting last week in Herndon, Va. Captain Paul Rice (VP) suggested making retirement age 70.

May want to start writing ALPA and your Congressman. Age 65 slipped through, lets not let this one slip through also.

 

[Daddy]

What a ****************************** bag

 

[Crucianpilot]

What is it with these a##holes! All of a sudden, everyone wants to work till they drop dead. Whatever happened to enjoying your golden years like everyone else does. Give it a break already, shoot. If you want to fly so damn bad, get by a friggin rc airplane and fly that.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Just to give everyone heads up. At the ALPA National Meeting last week in Herndon, Va. Captain Paul Rice (VP) suggested making retirement age 70.

May want to start writing ALPA and your Congressman. Age 65 slipped through, lets not let this one slip through also.

Personally I think it should be medical based and not any arbitrary number. Of course some of the guys complaining about age 65 and age 70 would probably lose their medicals instead of the some of the older gents.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I predict that this will be a civil and well balanced thread.

(I'll come back and check in 20 pages or so)

 

[ACL65PILOT]

FWIW, do you have a quote or public reference to this? Little coincidental that he is running for ALPA President and this comes out now.

Just saying.....

It would be suicide for him to recommend this and run for that office.

 

[goahead]

NO, memo just went to my union

 

[BoilerUP]

If the age is raised to 70 (or beyond), then to truly provide "fair treatment" to "experienced pilots" any airline pilot who was forced into retirement by the preceding age limit should be able to retroactively come back to their airline at the same seniority & position as they retired in.

I mean, age discrimination is age discrimination...right? Shouldn't those folks be made as whole as those currently taking advantage of the age change?



...but I'm guessing that'd be a non-starter because it wouldn't be as beneficial for those currently at the top of the payscale who want to 'fly 'til they die'...

 

[PCL_128]

Just to give everyone heads up. At the ALPA National Meeting last week in Herndon, Va. Captain Paul Rice (VP) suggested making retirement age 70.

This is not true. Captain Rice mentioned that some people are talking about raising the age to 70, but he said "that is not the answer." He certainly didn't suggest that we raise the age. Quite the contrary. His opponent in the race for President, however, championed increasing the age to 65. The previous administration under Captain Woerth, of which Captain Rice was an integral part, adamantly opposed increasing the age, and fought for years to prevent it, until Prater came along.

 

[Nindiri]

Cool. I have no problem with age 70. I'm out of here at 60 myself, but if someone else wants to work longer, it's their business, not mine.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

70 is better than nothing. Welcome to the frac world. Retire from the airlines and come over to 91/135 to wait and die.

The airlines don't sound so bad anymore!!

 

[jonjuan]

Long thread going on about it over on pprune as well....

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/422783-age-70-international-pilots.html

 

[Raoul Duke]

Age 70 is fine with me

 

[boxjockey]

Notice all of the "70 is OK with me" responses coming from the 10000+ hr crew. The baby boomers are the most greedy, self-important, soon-to-be drags on society group to ever exist. They have been handed the strongest economic growth in the history of the world, and most have p!ssed it all away. Now my three young children, who will struggle to ever find gainful employment, will have to pay for all of their greed and waste. Congratulations to you, you have made us all "very proud".

box

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Notice all of the "70 is OK with me" responses coming from the 10000+ hr crew. The baby boomers are the most greedy, self-important, soon-to-be drags on society group to ever exist. They have been handed the strongest economic growth in the history of the world, and most have p!ssed it all away. Now my three young children, who will struggle to ever find gainful employment, will have to pay for all of their greed and waste. Congratulations to you, you have made us all "very proud".

box

Sorry dude, but my 15K plus hours put me in the low 40's on age. I would be against any form of age discrimination. Besides with SS going broke you had better hope they raise that retirement age or we all going to be paying dearly to support their retirement.

 

[WolfManPack]

Agree

Notice all of the "70 is OK with me" responses coming from the 10000+ hr crew. The baby boomers are the most greedy, self-important, soon-to-be drags on society group to ever exist. They have been handed the strongest economic growth in the history of the world, and most have p!ssed it all away. Now my three young children, who will struggle to ever find gainful employment, will have to pay for all of their greed and waste. Congratulations to you, you have made us all "very proud".

box

Unfortunately I couldn't agree more! Tom Brokaw wrote a book about the boomer's parents being the best generation, now he should write a book about their children being the worste.

These people are the most selfish generation to date and what's worse, do not apologize for it. Their motto is: "What mine is mine, and what's yours is mine, and what's your children's is mine AND if I live long enough, what's your children's children is mine too.

Prater is an EXCELLENT example of his generation when he pushed the Age 60 rule change through the finish line.

I sincerely hope ALPA elects a president this fall that has all pilot's interest at heart or I believe the writing will be on the wall for ALPA.

Boomers: Me! Me! Me! Me!

 

[pilotyip]

do it quick I only have 3 yrs to get back into the 9 cockpit.

 

[contrail67]

70 then 80 then 90 yr old cap....


Just to keep the pot stirring...

 

[C-150ETOPS]

do it quick I only have 3 yrs to get back into the 9 cockpit.

One of your shortest posts ever, hurry up and run to the mall for your walk before the stores open at 10am.

 

[list2002]

If it changed to 70, the airlines would stay so stagnant that before long staffing would be unable to find FO's under 60 on more than just the 777's. We would need CA, FO, and RN positions on each flight deck.

 

[Flopgut]

Personally I think it should be medical based and not any arbitrary number. Of course some of the guys complaining about age 65 and age 70 would probably lose their medicals instead of the some of the older gents.

Of course some of the "older gents" would lose their enthusiasm for 70 if we abandoned seniority and went with rostering and assignments. Get rid of seniority as the single factor in career advancement and I'll support no limit.

I'm afraid CAL might have two thirds of the pilots awarded the 787 be over 60. How are we suppose to operate the airplane?

19 pilots are retiring from CAL on the next bid. It's no coincidence, 9 out of 10 of the ones leaving have got it together. The ones that have to hang on never have and never will. The kind of pilots that share your opinion are not quite the esteemed sort you might think...

 

[pilotyip]

One of your shortest posts ever, hurry up and run to the mall for your walk before the stores open at 10am.

MSU was playing football, so I walked to the stadium, they won over WMU 38-14

 

[john cocktosen]

Notice all of the "70 is OK with me" responses coming from the 10000+ hr crew. The baby boomers are the most greedy, self-important, soon-to-be drags on society group to ever exist. They have been handed the strongest economic growth in the history of the world, and most have p!ssed it all away. Now my three young children, who will struggle to ever find gainful employment, will have to pay for all of their greed and waste. Congratulations to you, you have made us all "very proud".

box

I agree 100%. great post!!! Don't forget the money you'll spend taking care of their old a$$es when they hit the retirement home.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/02/pf/caring_for_mom_and_dad.moneymag/index.htm

 

[waveflyer]

Shouldn't be able to captain >60

bring the experience- but decisions should be left to younger minds- pilots are too prideful to know when to hang it up

 

[instructordude]

Shouldn't be able to captain >60

bring the experience- but decisions should be left to younger minds- pilots are too prideful to know when to hang it up

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

 

[list2002]

A payscale that declines each year after 60 would comp for scheduling/staffing probs. Well, not if an airframe has over 75% crew over 60.

 

[bluefin]

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

OK, tell that to the federal government! Cut off to get a non-military flying job is 37, mandatory retirement at 57(good one at that) lots of furloughed guys pushed out the the gov job force cause of age...pot calling....

 

[livin'thesim]

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

Racist rally? That explains the african-american supporters who stood with him during the rally.

Look up "Alveda King". And next time do your homework.

 

[xjhawk]

thats because these A holes are only working 10-15 days a month and making 200k a year. What an awesome retirement job! When they want a longer stretch off, they just take one of the 4 weeks of vacation they have! I agree with the 65 rule, how else will survive when I am 65 having been a regional pilot my entire career because of this industry.

 

[hyflyin]

Whatever. Experience counts and all the age rules need to go. Haven't we progressed over the years in order to rid ourselves of this blatant discrimination. I bet you're the type of guy who supported Becks racist rally on DC the other day.

Are you kidding!!! Alveda King spoke at the rally!!!! MLKs own niece!!! She must be a racist hater now??? Get over the race card. We (white folk/ crackers) have given those communities more than enough to excel and they choose, YES CHOOSE, to continue to live in the slums!!!! The joke, name three things a black man will never achieve, has become a self fulfilling prophecy. The likes of sharpton and jackson have dooped those cultures into thinking that they are not able to achieve anything except handouts.

I don't agree with what O'Reily, Beck, Oberman, Maddow say about everything, but that rally was far from racist!!

And.... it is a well known, documented fact, that as we age, we "lose" our touch/ reflexes.... not to mention the fact that the older we get, the harder it is to adapt, learn, or change....