Age 70 being discussed

[CaribPilot]

Wow! These old farts are all hopped up on Viagra.

70 will not pass...and these guys will end up in cheap retirement homes because they could not afford to retire. LOL @ continuing to hold on...someone pull the plug already.

What good does raising the limit do? Who does it benefit?

 

[zonejumper]

Age 70 at the majors with the best schedules is probably not much of a problem, but imagine pilots 60-70 working the full legal 16 hour duty day and all that entails followed by a minimum rest overnight.

My parents are pushing 65 and while I love them dearly their bodies have degraded far more than they accept or realize. I shudder to think of my dad in a cockpit for 5 more years.

So you're old and you want more money. Welcome to 99% of America. Accept that you won't get everything you want and that your kids can take out college loans like most of the people reading this did to become a pilot and make peanuts. I have no sympathy for someone wanting to work to 70 when you planned on retiring at 60 for most of your career.

If that's true and you're not being dramatic about it, perhaps they used too many drugs in the 60s, drank too much or smoked. No way is 65 old in today's day and age.

 

[zonejumper]

Wow! These old farts are all hopped up on Viagra.

70 will not pass...and these guys will end up in cheap retirement homes because they could not afford to retire. LOL @ continuing to hold on...someone pull the plug already.

What good does raising the limit do? Who does it benefit?

I know of more young guys who use viagra than old ones.....
As to your other brilliant statements, I have two sayings for you.

1. What goes around, comes around.
2. Karma is a bitch.

Hope you're thought of and treated with the same respect when YOU hit "old age."

 

[cldsfr79]

Here's an idea, if we push the age to 70. All of the older pilots that feel that they are completely fit to fly, should have to undergo far more tests for their medical.

1. They should have to be cleared to fly by both their regular doctor and their aviation doctor.

2. They have routine blood tests to examine health (to find underlying diseases) and to detect hidden medications that the pilot is not disclosing to the FAA that are banned for use while in the cockpit.

3. They have to take a memory, dementia, Alzheimer and reaction tests.

4. These tests only apply after the age of 65.

If you pass this, you are good to fly. I know you're fit and it will be a pleasure flying with you.

If you think this is over the top and age discriminatory, wake up, the FAA is already testing you more and more as you get older. After a certain age you go from a 1st class medical lasting one year, to having it last 6 months. After 40 you have to take an ekg. The FAA is aware of aging and have done research, but they need to do more before they randomly raise the age limit to a higher number.

Heck, some states start putting restrictions on drivers after the age of 65 but no worries when they get into a high performance jet.

(plus, I'm aware that some of the older guys I fly with would love a higher retirement date because then they can punch out early on disability, suck money out of the company, and then retire. I have already heard stories of older guys keeping medical problems "in their pocket" until they need to use them. But then again, if we followed my three steps above, these guys couldn't hide their problems and they would be gone.)

 

[CaribPilot]

I know of more young guys who use viagra than old ones.....
As to your other brilliant statements, I have two sayings for you.

1. What goes around, comes around.
2. Karma is a bitch.

Hope you're thought of and treated with the same respect when YOU hit "old age."

Ok but, answer my questions geezer.

What good does raising the retirement age do? And who does it benefit?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Here's an idea, if we push the age to 70. All of the older pilots that feel that they are completely fit to fly, should have to undergo far more tests for their medical.

Any change to medical certification needs to be applied to all pilots. Guess what, Skippy? There are a boatload of young guys that couldn't pass. The last two guys who died on the flight deck were under 60.

Are you willing to bet YOUR license on stiffer standards?

 

[CaribPilot]

70 will not pass.

Fubijackoff and Zonehumper will continue to fart dust until they are pried off the control yoke.

The end. LOL

 

[General Lee]

How about two 30-something Air France guys in the cockpit in the middle of the night over the ocean when something went wrong?

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Cockpit tapes showes the Captain had made it back from his rest break and was in the cockpit too, just not in the seat.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Any change to medical certification needs to be applied to all pilots. Guess what, Skippy? There are a boatload of young guys that couldn't pass. The last two guys who died on the flight deck were under 60.

Are you willing to bet YOUR license on stiffer standards?

Fubi,

Age discrimination is in the Constitution. It states a President of the United States has to be at least 35 years old. Firemen and policemen have mandatory retirement ages. Would you want a 64 year old fireman carrying you out of a burning building on his back? How many line-checks would an over age 65 pilot have to get each year? How many sick calls could there be? I don't think the airline lobbyists will be pushing for that to pass anytime soon, and it keeps higher paying pilots in the cockpits, and prevents airlines from hiring cheaper newbies at the bottom. I would think Congress would get an earfull from a lot of angry people about that. There is a shortage of pilots coming up, but regionals are shrinking due to higher gas and RJs, and those pilots will supply the mainline carriers eventually. Doubtful.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pilotyip]

Bingo!

Any change to medical certification needs to be applied to all pilots. Guess what, Skippy? There are a boatload of young guys that couldn't pass. The last two guys who died on the flight deck were under 60.

Are you willing to bet YOUR license on stiffer standards?

This guy gets it, it is not about safety, it is about get out of my seat. If you are going to apply standards you apply the same to everyone, no matter what your age. I know at age 68, I am in better shape than many of those younger than I

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Oh great, five more years of some old geezer taxiing to the runway with his turn signal on the whole time.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

As someone who escaped the regionals, let me make a couple of points to the senior guys here who think the junior guys are greedy. Every single one of you benefited from the age 60 rule when you were junior. EVERY SINGLE ONE! It allowed YOU to move up as the geezers retired. But now that YOU are the geezers, you want to deny the junior guys the same opportunities YOU were given? THAT my friends is selfish greed. And before you bash the regional pilots, consider that the average regional pilot has 10 years seniority at a regional. Sure they knew what they were getting into but they never expected to be stuck there that long. All of you geezers STOLE 5 years from them and now you want to take 5 more? No way. YOU are the selfish ones and YOU DO need to "get out of their seats" just like someone did for you! Shame on you all!

 

[pilotyip]

As someone who escaped the regionals, let me make a couple of points to the senior guys here who think the junior guys are greedy. Every single one of you benefited from the age 60 rule when you were junior. EVERY SINGLE ONE! It allowed YOU to move up as the geezers retired. But now that YOU are the geezers, you want to deny the junior guys the same opportunities YOU were given? THAT my friends is selfish greed. And before you bash the regional pilots, consider that the average regional pilot has 10 years seniority at a regional. Sure they knew what they were getting into but they never expected to be stuck there that long. All of you geezers STOLE 5 years from them and now you want to take 5 more? No way. YOU are the selfish ones and YOU DO need to "get out of their seats" just like someone did for you! Shame on you all!

let me guess. You are no where near 60? am I right?

 

[CorpCaptain]

Yip, that isnt the point. I have no dog in this fight. My company pays us to leave early. At 60, they pay us 2 1/2 yrs salary to "go away" Because they understand that despite what shape you may think you are in, that the 8hr leg across the pond that left at 9pmCST will leave you drained and trite. I have no doubt that there are plenty of guys younger than you, out of shape and lazy as hell. However the laws that benefited you by luck should not harm your fellow pilot. That is definition of greed, however you want to slice it.

 

[james1]

As someone who escaped the regionals, let me make a couple of points to the senior guys here who think the junior guys are greedy. Every single one of you benefited from the age 60 rule when you were junior. EVERY SINGLE ONE! It allowed YOU to move up as the geezers retired. But now that YOU are the geezers, you want to deny the junior guys the same opportunities YOU were given? THAT my friends is selfish greed. And before you bash the regional pilots, consider that the average regional pilot has 10 years seniority at a regional. Sure they knew what they were getting into but they never expected to be stuck there that long. All of you geezers STOLE 5 years from them and now you want to take 5 more? No way. YOU are the selfish ones and YOU DO need to "get out of their seats" just like someone did for you! Shame on you all!

Well said. As for age 70..NO!, NO! ,NO! ,NO!, NO!,NO!, NO!, NO!,NO!,NO!, GOD NO!, NO!, NO!, NO!, NO!, NO!, F#%K NO!, NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!.....HAVE I MADE MY SELF CLEAR?!

 

[russtgol]

I hope it passes.....

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, that isnt the point. I have no dog in this fight. My company pays us to leave early. At 60, they pay us 2 1/2 yrs salary to "go away" Because they understand that despite what shape you may think you are in, that the 8hr leg across the pond that left at 9pmCST will leave you drained and trite. I have no doubt that there are plenty of guys younger than you, out of shape and lazy as hell. However the laws that benefited you by luck should not harm your fellow pilot. That is definition of greed, however you want to slice it.

good for you, sounds like a good place to work, me I still love flying. First night of the that KYIP-MMTO-KYIP, 16 hours duty and 11 flt time is OK, but the second night is much ruffer.

 

[zonejumper]

let me guess. You are no where near 60? am I right?

Good guess!!

These are the same individuals whose parents gave into them whenever they held their breath and/or threw a tantrum in a store. NOW when life, which those of us with wisdom borne of age, tell them life isn't fair----they're unprepared to handle it.

Oh well, too bad---how sad. Grow up, move on and remember that life is fluid and is ever-changing. The sooner they realize this fact, the happier and more productive they'll be. Or, remain the cry babies you are and look ridiculously foolish and horribly selfish.

I'd be careful about showing how you can't adapt to a situation. NOT a good quality to possess both in the airline industry and most certainly NOT the cockpit.

 

[CaribPilot]

None of you geezers have answered my question.

WHAT GOOD DOES AGE 70 DO?

WHO DOES 70 BENEFIT?

Calling anyone but yourself selfish is horribly stupid. But stupid is as stupid does right?

This rule benefits NOBODY except the people that are going to retire soon....that is the DEFINITION of selfish.

Lets look at the definition of selfish...

1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others

Wow! Look at that!

NOT going to 70 benefits a whole larger majority of the workforce...so much so that is FREAKING staggering. What a bunch of unbelievable selfish greedy pricks.

Its the same greedy mentality of the old farts on wall street that put you guys in a position that doesn't allow you to afford retiring.

 

[flyboyike]

Good guess!!

These are the same individuals whose parents gave into them whenever they held their breath and/or threw a tantrum in a store. NOW when life, which those of us with wisdom borne of age, tell them life isn't fair----they're unprepared to handle it.

If you had "wisdom borne of age", you wouldn't have to work until the Grim Reaper takes you. You would have been able to afford to retire early.