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Do you see 60 year olds pitching for the New York Yankees? Now come on, this is bull********************. If you're collecting Social Security and getting senior discounts at Wendy's, it's time to hang it up.
 
Hawkered said:
Do you see 60 year olds pitching for the New York Yankees? Now come on, this is bull********************. If you're collecting Social Security and getting senior discounts at Wendy's, it's time to hang it up.
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right more of get the heck out of my seat, I am owed that seat that seat is my and I going to invent a reason to get you out of my seat.
 
pilotyip said:
right more of get the heck out of my seat, I am owed that seat that seat is my and I going to invent a reason to get you out of my seat.
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Disgusting, but not unexpected.
 
After reading through all the post I see no one hit on a major problem that will affect us baby boomers. I fell into the age 66 rule before I can draw full social security. I'll need to wait until then so I have enough money for smokes and beer.
 
Someone mentioned the guy who was terrible at 65. What was he like at 55, or 50, or whatever? Did he suddenly get that way at 60 or 65? We all know people at all ages who are not exactly the "ace of the base" in skills and/or work ethic. If safety (or customer service) is the goal, we should be weeding these people out at any age instead of setting some arbitrary age to get rid of everyone. Won't happen. Nor will age 65 (or whatever) come to 135 or 91K, IMHO. This thread comes up about every 6 months. Nothing ever changes and no ones opinion is modified as a result.
Helm
 
Background so that folks understand that this isn't about me. I'm almost 52. I am a relative junior Captain at NetJets because I was hired at the end of the 2001-2002 hiring spree. Any forced retirements at 65 are not really going to help me out one bit as a big portion of our seniority list is younger than I am and are already senior to me. Also, I hope that I never have to worry about any mandatory retirement age because I want to be retired from this gig before it ever becomes an issue.

I have mixed feelings about the validity of the age 65 rule. Some guys I know do well after 65. Some others should have retired at 60. I guess if you had to pick an arbitrary age, 65 is as good as any other and better than most.

The one issue I have concerns the differentiation between part 121, 135, 91(k) and 91. I've long felt that most, if not all, safety related regulations need to apply equally regardless of the type of operation. The recent NPRM on fatigue was a perfect example. What difference does it make if the B-777 crew is rested and covered under excellent fatigue rules when the metroliner single-pilot 135 freight guy plows into them because he can't keep his eyes open?

I think that all safety related regulations should apply equally to any pilot exercising the commercial portion of his certificate. That way - rest, duty, training, mandatory retirement will apply equally to anyone making a living at flying.

That being said, I think that since part 121 has a mandatory age 65 rule, it should apply to all commercial flying.
 
Not going to happen Griz. At least not in the foreseeable future. Accept it. I wish I was not furloughed, but it is what it is. Wishing won't make it so.
Helm
 
Hell, I'm 35 and people are asking me when I'm going to retire!:D
 
It's interesting to see the people who are drawing on Social Security who know full well that the baby boomer generation bankrupted the entire economy, stating that we are selfish!

It's time to look at yourselves long and hard in the mirror!

No generation has been so selfish, plundered the wealth of so many that came before it and so reluctant to take personal responsibility for any of it.

It is NOT our problem you have five marriages, three airline bankruptcies and a mountain of loans for houses and personal possessions you could never have afforded in the first place.

Stop hiding behind the cowardice of your own sheer stupidity expecting the rest of us to bankroll your own mistakes. If you can't carry your weight, load your own bags, make it through checkrides without "help". It's time TO GO!!!

Age 65= RETIREMENT!!!

It's a SAFETY issue! Nobody lives forever!!! GIVE IT UP!!!
 
Hawkered said:
It's a SAFETY issue! Nobody lives forever!!! GIVE IT UP!!!
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When nothing else works you have to cry, motherhood, patriotism and safety, because no one can ever be against those. But that is not the case. This is about get out of my seat. Lets look at the age of pilot incapacitation’s, most are under 60.
 
Hawkered -

A bit of clarification for you. The oldest of the baby boomers is just now turning 65. Most of the boomers haven't drawn one penny of social security yet and have funded it more than any other group.

Here's a bit of info for you on the baby boomers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer

Proud member of the baby boomer generation, class of 1959. :)
 
pilotyip said:
When nothing else works you have to cry, motherhood, patriotism and safety, because no one can ever be against those. But that is not the case. This is about get out of my seat. Lets look at the age of pilot incapacitation’s, most are under 60.
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The fact that most incapacitation events occurred to pilots under 60 only strengthens the idea of an age limit no older than 60 or 65. Those guys had medicals and current checkrides too.

I think Grizz said it well. It is unfair to all those who can still perform beyond 65 but I believe there has to be a limit somewhere. Someone posted above that in my example of Captain Terrible that he may have been bad before he aged. That may be but most agree that after a certain age your skill reaches diminishing returns for all of us.
 
FrontierFan said:
That may be but most agree that after a certain age your skill reaches diminishing returns for all of us.
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But it is not uniform, as I have stated before, lets for the name of safety make the retirement age the age of the youngest pilot who experiences and inflight ncapacitation. That would be really safe,
 
"most agree that after a certain age your skill reaches diminishing returns"

FF, in the first place, I don't think that "most agree". I agree that generally younger=quicker and that is important for a fighter pilot in combat. Flying a transport aircraft not so much. In many cases, just the opposite is true.
Helm
 
By skillz, I'm not talking about top gun or steep turn stuff.. I'm talking about basic airman ship. I talking about things I have witnessed first hand.

I am talking about things like controlling the volume of your voice on an owner trip. Taxiing at half a normal speed at night because you need to get your bi-focal prescription changed. Screwing up the box on things most would consider normal ops (like a runway / approach change) and again putting the altitude where the heading belongs and the heading where the altitude belongs. One time I was in the back with the owner. When I came back I got strapped in and asked if there were any changes. Old guy replied "no". Seconds later we got yelled at my because my partner received a re-route and never hit the "execute" button on the FMS. I'm sorry but this kinda stuff sucks to work with. Then after you get done with the ASAP forms in your hotel you get to contemplate turning in Dad to the old people committee to see if the safety commentate comes up with the same conclusion everyone else on the line has. And rebutting that junior pilots make mistakes too is not apples to apples. Junior pilots get better, old pilots get worse.

I did not say everyone over "X" age is no good. As I stated many times previously, I have flown with some really really great people over 60 and 65, but I have also flown with some that really made me think about a standard age limit. It is my opinion from experience that if you are still cool after 65-ish than you are the exception and not the rule. Maybe as someone else posted, age is cool in an airline environment. Well age is not always cool with fractional flying.
 
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