Age 65 Stinks

[Linedriver]

Hey guys, thanks for waiting! I just got back from beating that dead horse across the street and, well - it's still dead......

Whew! That was close!

 

[fob727]

Hey guys, thanks for waiting! I just got back from beating that dead horse across the street and, well - it's still dead......

Whew! That was close!

Good one there, LD. lol

 

[FoxHunter]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

 

[007]

I know............you old geezers can go ahead and fly till you keel over at the controls.....but I say that whoever is flying with you at the time has immediate rights to you seniority number. That should fix the problem.

 

[Flopgut]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

That sort of death has always been a reality. The difference now is if Capt. McManus perishes in flight, the remaining pilot might be well over 60. We don't know for sure what's going to happen, but that day is getting closer. If you knew the details of CAL's B757 divert with a dead pilot a few years ago, you'd have a more cautionary attitude. We're one bad day from there being a separate govt agency established to monitor our health, and being forced to wear a defibulator wired to the standby bus while in flight. All so you can work a little longer.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Flopgut:

It's just all about you and anything to get what you want. As I have commented before, you and your crowd would gladly kick your own parents out of their homes and into the street so you could move in. They're just too old to enjoy what they worked so hard to have. It's your turn, right?

 

[Abernathy]

Same old tired song. Your sense of entitlement. You wan to live and die by seniority, but feel you're entitled to what those more senior than you have.

Entitlement? What's ironic is that the pilots who retired at age 60 years ago gave those of you who pushed for 65 the opportunity to get where you are when you did. Yet you are "entitled" to a little more?

If this is too much for you to fathom, find another line of work.

No. This is a pilot board. Pilots do three things. Eat, Fly, and Bitch. If you don't like it, find another line of work.

 

[jetjockey#1]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

You sir are a moron.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Brian is suspected to have die of something else than a natural death. I'll leave it at that out of respect for him.

Age 60 should never have been changed. ALPA should have fought it tooth and nail, since the majority of ALPA members did not want it changed. The fact of the matter is most of the pro 60+ pilots, at legacies, have been making >150K a year for the last 15+ years. And now all of the sudden, if they retire they are going to be bankrupt. BS, 3-4 more years is not going to change the mess you have made out of your life. This is all about greed, and about John Prater returning favors. I hope he is happy, he has pushed this profession even further down the sh** hole. I hope you or any guy over 60 still flying is very proud of the fact that some of us might be furloughed in our 30s with wife and young children and have never made over 100K yet, while you enjoy the time you all stole from us.

Please don't mention BM on this board anymore.

 

[Freight Dog]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

FoxHunter, are you suggesting we lower the retirement age? I mean, if people dying in-flight are all in their 50's or even 40's, can you please tell me how it makes any sense to RAISE the mandatory retirement age?

 

[FoxHunter]

You sir are a moron.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Brian is suspected to have die of something else than a natural death. I'll leave it at that out of respect for him.

Age 60 should never have been changed. ALPA should have fought it tooth and nail, since the majority of ALPA members did not want it changed. The fact of the matter is most of the pro 60+ pilots, at legacies, have been making >150K a year for the last 15+ years. And now all of the sudden, if they retire they are going to be bankrupt. BS, 3-4 more years is not going to change the mess you have made out of your life. This is all about greed, and about John Prater returning favors. I hope he is happy, he has pushed this profession even further down the sh** hole. I hope you or any guy over 60 still flying is very proud of the fact that some of us might be furloughed in our 30s with wife and young children and have never made over 100K yet, while you enjoy the time you all stole from us.

Please don't mention BM on this board anymore.

Sorry for your unhappy state of affairs. Although there were times in the past that I thought my timing could have much better I find in hindsight I could not have been more lucky. When your furlough time starts to exceed my 8+ years you may start to make me feel guilty.

 

[FoxHunter]

FoxHunter, are you suggesting we lower the retirement age? I mean, if people dying in-flight are all in their 50's or even 40's, can you please tell me how it makes any sense to RAISE the mandatory retirement age?

The medical experts say age is not an issue. You can expect to see the age raised to 70 or eliminated like they have done in Canada, Australia, and NZ.
Lucky you!

 

[zonker]

Sorry for your unhappy state of affairs. Although there were times in the past that I thought my timing could have much better I find in hindsight I could not have been more lucky. When your furlough time starts to exceed my 8+ years you may start to make me feel guilty.

How much time do you think you have left?

With the kind of flying you do, it surely isn't much.

 

[Freight Dog]

The medical experts say age is not an issue. You can expect to see the age raised to 70 or eliminated like they have done in Canada, Australia, and NZ.
Lucky you!

How many medical experts are flying the line with you old guys?

How many have you had in the jumpseat observing your performance?

My wife is a miitary flight surgeon, and she's vehemently opposed to raising the retirement age. A number of her peers feel the same way... I guess it's only 'certain' medical experts that say it's OK.

 

[jetjockey#1]

Sorry for your unhappy state of affairs. Although there were times in the past that I thought my timing could have much better I find in hindsight I could not have been more lucky. When your furlough time starts to exceed my 8+ years you may start to make me feel guilty.

you sir on top of being a moron, you are a liar.

Please tell me when has Delta furloughed somebody for 8+ years. The other first officer on this trip was hired July01 and furloughed soon there after. He came back at the first recall on October 04. A good buddy of mine was hired in late 91 and furlough thereafter, he came back 95.....so and so on. Since you claim to know BM I assumed you are a DAL guy, so when did you exactly get furloughed 8+ years without a recall.....

...Right, anyway, increasing age 60 is wrong, it's why Prater was elected. I flew at CAL mainline for 17 months in 05 so I know. Prater was put in office for one reason, raise the age 60. That's why he got the necessary money to get to the ALPA top office. The flip side of that coin is, he will not be reelected to office, and, he will go down in history as the worst ALPA president ever.
He has screwed so many junior guys at his own airline it's not even funny. And even at his own airline, they're still trying to take it back...... I wish them well, and at least I hope they don't have to show up 30 extra minutes early at check in, without counting towards duty or per diem..... That's Prater airline.

 

[FoxHunter]

How much time do you think you have left?

With the kind of flying you do, it surely isn't much.

I turn 65 Oct, 2012, Original DOH 7/14/69

297 hrs. this year so far, 48 Landings, fly either international or to my home town.