Age 65 Retirement passes House 390-0

[Flopgut]

yep, only instead of being 37 and about to enter the prime of my life in a good position... I'm now 43 and doing so.... anyway it is what it is.

We are almost the same age. I have always tried to be a close observer of my older coworkers and to try and learn something from them; Try to figure out whats ahead. Too often it's an example I want to make sure I can avoid ending up like. Here's one thing I've seen: We all get old real quick. (The kid I strapped a diaper to yesterday is applying to college) At some point there is something that clicks in these old guy's heads and they see things coming to an end. They see where they aren't going to be needed or missed. They don't have anything else. It has nothing to do with whether they love flying or are even good at it. The airplane is going to go whether they are in the left seat calling the shots or not, and that starts to bother them.

 

[flyboyike]

At some point there is something that clicks in these old guy's heads and they see things coming to an end. They see where they aren't going to be needed or missed.

That clicked in my head by the time I was about 25. I must be a real advanced thinker or something.

 

[HA25]

We are almost the same age. I have always tried to be a close observer of my older coworkers and to try and learn something from them; Try to figure out whats ahead. Too often it's an example I want to make sure I can avoid ending up like. Here's one thing I've seen: We all get old real quick. (The kid I strapped a diaper to yesterday is applying to college) At some point there is something that clicks in these old guy's heads and they see things coming to an end. They see where they aren't going to be needed or missed. They don't have anything else. It has nothing to do with whether they love flying or are even good at it. The airplane is going to go whether they are in the left seat calling the shots or not, and that starts to bother them.

Amen brother... I am picking up what you are planting.

 

[HA25]

By 43, I was on my 4th job in 10 years, and I sill had another 7 jobs to go to get where I am today, a non-sked at KYIP. It has been a ball

Yip, nothing too personal as I don't personally know you, even though I've been debating you for over a decade on here... but if my career goes that much further south where I wind up in YIP in my 60's, I'd sooner just quit now and live in a 500sf apartment while my wife goes back to work as a teacher.

 

[flyboyike]

Yip, nothing too personal as I don't personally know you, even though I've been debating you for over a decade on here... but if my career goes that much further south where I wind up in YIP in my 60's, I'd sooner just quit now and live in a 500sf apartment while my wife goes back to work as a teacher.

Seconded. Talk about a waste.

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, nothing too personal as I don't personally know you, even though I've been debating you for over a decade on here... but if my career goes that much further south where I wind up in YIP in my 60's, I'd sooner just quit now and live in a 500sf apartment while my wife goes back to work as a teacher.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I have had a ball. I am coming out this end is decent shape, no worries about retirement,. I am lucky to still working at a job where I can't wait to get up and go to work in the morning. Which more than I can say about many of the things I see here. I look at what I have done to help guys along in their careers and see them end up in career position at those place I have named before.

Besides my YIP connection go back to my birth. My father was building B-24 Bombers at YIP. He got off work to take my mom to the hospital. I took my first airplane here in 1953, EAL Connie to MIA with my parents at YIP, Soloed here, worked for three airlines here, I have worked in almost every building on the field, still fly the warbirds out of here, so pilotyip fits.

As posted before: After 11 jobs since leaving the Navy, I have adopted another slogan, "Expect nothing and you will never be disappointed” I know it sounds like having no drive, ambition or goals, but that is not the case. There is so much in this business you have absolutely no control over, these effect your job. To fret unnecessarily over those things causes ulcers, it is not worth it. Getting depressed over stupid things that you have no control over is not worth it. By expecting nothing, it will always be better than nothing. Life is a ball.

Seconded. Talk about a waste.

Ditto:laugh:

 

[zonker]

This dope is enjoying life so much he spends every waking moment posting on flightinfo.

:laugh:

 

[Jetjockey]

I have adopted another slogan, "Expect nothing and you will never be disappointed” I know it sounds like having no drive, ambition or goals


Ditto:laugh:

Reminds me of another slogan, "aim low, you'll always hit your mark"

 

[OHGOON]

"Expect nothing and you will never be disappointed” I know it sounds like having no drive, ambition or goals, but that is not the case. There is so much in this business you have absolutely no control over, these effect your job. To fret unnecessarily over those things causes ulcers, it is not worth it. Getting depressed over stupid things that you have no control over is not worth it. By expecting nothing, it will always be better than nothing. Life is a ball.

I hesitate to agree with Yip here because imho he takes so many unnecessarily divisive positions and opinions on many subjects but I have to give credit where credit is due.

If you truly are able to live what you post here, you are a blessed man. You just expressed one of the most powerful tenets of the Buddhist philosophy of non attachment in a very accessible way. Kudos.

Wish you could apply some of this to your rabid anti union thinking, but I guess everything has its limits right?

 

[OHGOON]

This dope is enjoying life so much he spends every waking moment posting on flightinfo.

:laugh:

Jealous??

 

[pilotyip]

I hesitate to agree with Yip here because imho he takes so many unnecessarily divisive positions and opinions on many subjects but I have to give credit where credit is due.

If you truly are able to live what you post here, you are a blessed man. You just expressed one of the most powerful tenets of the Buddhist philosophy of non attachment in a very accessible way. Kudos.

Wish you could apply some of this to your rabid anti union thinking, but I guess everything has its limits right?

This board is very pro-union. I don't think that I am that rabidly anti-union, but more middle of the road, some places need a union. The rabid union supporters stand on a platform that unions can do no harm. I just happen to not agree with that stance and it is my duty to point out the other side. Unions have the ability to destroy marginal companies.

But immersed in this population, I stand out because I am not 100% pro-union and 100% anti-management. A lot of this comes from my personal experiences as a member of ALPA and IBT. This board remains me of my former pro-union activists at places I worked. Nothing was ever good enough for them. After about my fourth job, my main concern was the viability of my company and anything I could do make them more viable was my primary goal. The standard union activists battle cry of "more pay and more says off" until of course you have all your days off, without pay.

There are two sides to every story, both sides need to be told.

BTW If I was posting on a CEO site, I would probably be looked at as pro-union.

 

[bizicmo]

pilotyip if you were on a CEO site they would look at you as anti-union. CEO's have the strongest union out there. They sit on each others boards, determine each others pay and use the enormous stockpile of corporate cash(instead of their own money like pilots) to lobby politicians to protect their pay and benefits. Yeah that is one hell of a union they have.

 

[HA25]

This board is very pro-union. I don't think that I am that rabidly anti-union, but more middle of the road, some places need a union. The rabid union supporters stand on a platform that unions can do no harm.

You haven't seen unions until you've seen Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, etc... This country is so anti-union that it's pathetic watching them try and gain a position with management, especially in the transportation industry where the RLA further waters them down...

I just happen to not agree with that stance and it is my duty to point out the other side. Unions have the ability to destroy marginal companies.

As they should.... does everyone a favor. If your such a marginal company that you can't pay your pilots well, I hesitate to wonder how safe your fleet is...

 

[OHGOON]

Unions have the ability to destroy marginal companies.

As they should.... does everyone a favor. If your such a marginal company that you can't pay your pilots well, I hesitate to wonder how safe your fleet is...

Can I have an Amen!