Age 60 informal poll

[Hamburger]

If Age 60 had been defeated while you were striking at EAL, you wouldn't have even been hired at UAL.

Now when the YOU generation joins us in the hard times all WE hear is "it's all about you guys what about mine?"

Don't waste your pixels trying to compare Management/economic hard times of the past to Senior pilots blatantly screwing junior pilots in an all sweeping, Nationwide fashion like what happened with age 60. It is even more ridiculous considering the management/economic hard times we are currently facing.
Your career advancement was a direct result of those before you retiring and that has been stolen from us.

Sugar coat it any way you find acceptable.........

THE DREAM DIED ON YOUR WATCH.

No two ways about it. It was what it was when the Boomers were 20somethings and now it is what it is. Great job, Eagleview, you're my hero.

 

[CopilotDoug]

There will be changes for sure. But pilot v pilot problems will be stopped when we are in power... I'm actually the guy who thinks about the industry as a whole than just my individual situation. If one pilot is struggling and on survival mode-- that weakens our position.

Wow man, you running for office? Get over yourself. The fact is, anybody pointing the finger at someone else is part of the "me" crowd. This "profession" is a sinking boat and ALPA is at the helm. Props to the EAL guys because they put their money where their mouth was and sacrificed for what they believed in. You're not going to see that anymore with today's "I'm just lucky to have a job" crowd. Undaunted is right, soon enough you'll have Widebody Captains flying trans-oceanics for school teacher pay, all while trying to fund their own retirements. Soon enough you'll be part of the crowd saying "It's over already?!? I can't afford retirement!" But that is what thinking six-inches in front of your face will get you.

 

[Flopgut]

1061 birth for me so I guess I am the "ME" generation.

I guess I was the ME generation when I struck at EAL fighting for a better future for myself and those to follow.

Sorry, but you're the worst kind of seniority offender and you typify the entire problem.

I've listened to strikers like you at CAL curse every replacement workers' very existence. Guys like you carried and passed out the list 20+ years after the strike ended. I wanted to empathize with you, until I saw you do the exact same thing to my career!!

Tear up you list or add your name to it. I'm done listening to your BS.

 

[Flopgut]

You seem to be misinformed. I retired at age-60.

You had a chance to go back to UAL and prove to all of us this was not only about seniority. In fact, you claimed you would!! Well, that's all your generation does...make claims. Truth: Age 65 is being adjusted to and my generation of marginalized pilots who are getting the worst of this are handling things with a degree of professionalism that never existed in yours. Period. In fact, it's a good thing this happened us (my generation) and not yours. There are some horrible and dispicable acts and deeds in your generation's history.

 

[Freight Dog]

I stand by every argument I had against raising the retirement age.

I get the privilege of being shown I was right by flying with a 62 year old. Every day it's the multitude of 'senior moments' and some come at the worst time. I know it's not incompetence because he does things fine at other times. It's slow mental and cognitive shut down... and the worst of it is, how do you tell that to him?

 

[pilotyip]

I stand by every argument I had against raising the retirement age.

I get the privilege of being shown I was right by flying with a 62 year old. Every day it's the multitude of 'senior moments' and some come at the worst time. I know it's not incompetence because he does things fine at other times. It's slow mental and cognitive shut down... and the worst of it is, how do you tell that to him?

how about the 58 year that does the same thing, how do you tell them?

 

[Freight Dog]

That's my question Yip... how do you tell them?

Do we get the FO's together that have flown with the guy and basically all of us tell him? I really want to know because it is coming to that, and I don't have the benefit of having a Professional Standards Committee.

 

[Freight Dog]

Seriously pilotyip... how do you show respect to man who has given 40+ year to aviation while at the same time tell him that he's becoming a hazard to himself and to his crew? I tried dropping small hints like being a sim instructor and making a good living while still contributing to aviation... but he's not getting it.

 

[XJTAv8r]

One more reason to bring back age 60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKR-Vj5H8u8

 

[pilotyip]

didn't answer the question

Seriously pilotyip... how do you show respect to man who has given 40+ year to aviation while at the same time tell him that he's becoming a hazard to himself and to his crew? I tried dropping small hints like being a sim instructor and making a good living while still contributing to aviation... but he's not getting it.

But what if he was 58, or 55. ASAP?

 

[Freight Dog]

Yip... age doesn't matter. What matters is the decline associated with age, and how do you broach that topic. I'm still waiting for an answer.

No ASAP program in place here.

 

[Flopgut]

FreightDog: Explain it to a check airman. I recently did a special airport checkout with a check airman and age 65 came up. He was indifferent to the most obvious parts of the new rule because it wasn't going to affect him. However, when I explained to him that IMHO because these guys have to fly with someone under 60, it's encumbent upon the rest of us to watch them more closely. Especially a LCA. If one of these old bozos screws up bad and leaves the runway or has an incident (God forbid worse), all they are going to do is retire (with a ton of extra dollars he/she had no claim to) and point a finger at everyone else. The rest of us will have to salvage a career and go on. There was about 45 mins of silence as that began to sink in on the guy.

##edit: My point is these guys have no more discilpline than they did before and many of them were nearly out to pasture anyway. Now they've got an attitude to boot.

 

[waveflyer]

Wow man, you running for office? Get over yourself. The fact is, anybody pointing the finger at someone else is part of the "me" crowd. This "profession" is a sinking boat and ALPA is at the helm. Props to the EAL guys because they put their money where their mouth was and sacrificed for what they believed in. You're not going to see that anymore with today's "I'm just lucky to have a job" crowd. Undaunted is right, soon enough you'll have Widebody Captains flying trans-oceanics for school teacher pay, all while trying to fund their own retirements. Soon enough you'll be part of the crowd saying "It's over already?!? I can't afford retirement!" But that is what thinking six-inches in front of your face will get you.

what are you talking about?

Pilots are done taking concessions.
That's what i'm observing. It should've happened a while ago-- but we were gamers and naive. I'm just glad to see it happening. Hopefully folks will realize that starting over isn't as bad as having the entire industry flying under south america contracts. We've given. Enough is enough. That's all i'm saying.

The rest....
i'm the advocate for thinking long term. And that's includes my personal life... but thanks for the concern.

 

[eaglesview]

Sorry, but you're the worst kind of seniority offender and you typify the entire problem.

I've listened to strikers like you at CAL curse every replacement workers' very existence. Guys like you carried and passed out the list 20+ years after the strike ended. I wanted to empathize with you, until I saw you do the exact same thing to my career!!

Tear up you list or add your name to it. I'm done listening to your BS.

Hey Scooter,

Tell me how I did anything to your career. You going to tell me you know how I feel about 65 Ect. You have no idea. I'd like to see you stand up for anything. Go ahead, walk away from a job like I and 100's of other EAL pilots did.

And i am the one full of BS, Get a life.

 

[ivauir]

1061 birth for me so I guess I am the "ME" generation.

1061 birth? Dude I know you look that old, but .... a senior moment I guess

Now when the YOU generation joins us in the hard times all WE hear is "it's all about you guys what about mine?"

The writing is on the wall - the boomers enjoyed the golden age of this career and now are squeezing five more years of gold at the expense of everyone younger than them. These are facts amigo. Your generation has left aviation and the world at large a mess - don't be surprised that those left to clean it up feel some resentment.

Give me a break

One break - coming up.