Age 60 Exchange - Please Use Caution

[j41driver]

Too, it is based on age rather that health or competency.

Can someone explain to me how Age 65 is not based on age?

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Actually, I'm not angry that it's being challenged, nor am I planning to work to 60, let alone 65.

I have heard this before from many on this Board as well as from thousands of others on the line. It's just BS and you don't even know it. Almost no one retires early when they have reached a senior position. I am well aware of the constant complaining that goes with the job and part of that is the "I can't wait to retire and get out of this crap," or the "I'm not going to wait for age 60, l want to retire at age 55 when I can still enjoy life." Don't you understand that that is just part of the stereotypical cockpit conversation that is expected? Very few, to almost no one, really act on this fantasy. The truth is that almost everyone, unless there is some horrible commute or a personal situation at home will retire "early." I guess you haven’t figured this out yet. Your sincerity in your belief that you will retire early is so naive that it is actually quite funny to me. Of yes, I’m sure you will disagree with me and so will others from your group of young pilots, but I ask that you remember this posting when you’re age 64 and still flying. You’ll get a big laugh too.

 

[Freight Dog]

Why wouldn't I retire early? Not all of us party at Chuck's every chance we get. Not all of us depend on our airlines for retirement, or income for that matter.

You could say we learned something from your generation.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

You could say we learned something from your generation.

Unfortunately you have leaned nothing from what I have said or don't believe it, just as my posting predicted.

 

[BeCareful!]

UF -

You sound so pathetic whining about your son's college and your furloughs, etc.

Do you realize there are many 45-55 year old pilots who have also been on furlough for the past six years? Some of these guys were furloughed before this, too. I guess they should stay out or stay junior forever so you can live the dream. Where should their kids go to school?

The thing that really gets me about you guys is that you've known about the retirement age for your entire career! This isn't something that sneaked up on you. You can cry bad timing, pension stolen, etc, but it has nothing to do with the issue. We have ALL taken a hit, and those of us who are trying to save something for retirement now are going to be severely hampered by staying junior for five more years (at best) or getting furloughed again soon. You know it and I know it. Please spare us the notion that you are the only group suffering.

 

[Whataburger]

Freightdog: I really don't understand your post.

As you have pointed out I have retired and at age 60, just as you want everyone to do (except you I would guess from your post).

I've gotten a mostly non-flying job now and moved to a house. Yes, I have purchased clothing at the Salvation Army as you have pointed out but now that I'm working I'm able to buy most things at Walmart. Is that OK with you?

My post #39 is part of a press release that sez the age 60/65 law is being challenged. So what's your problem?

You have everything, I'm a beaten man. Beaten by you, the FAA, your "get out of my seat" colleagues and your Union. Please keep in mind that all the while I still have a family that includes a 16-year old son. My son will be going to the Community College instead of U of I. Is that OK too? On the other hand you now have the opportunity to work 5-extra years if you so choose. From your post it sounds as though you're angry that the age 65 law is being challanged. I guess that's because you now want to work to age 65. That figures!

Do you go down to the streets and kick the homeless on your days off?

Pitts or kids college?
Expensive house with HUGE property tax or kids college?
Maby with your infinite wisdom you should have answered these questions a little differently.

 

[Skyboy722]

Freightdog: I really don't understand your post.

As you have pointed out I have retired and at age 60, just as you want everyone to do (except you I would guess from your post).

I've gotten a mostly non-flying job now and moved to a house. Yes, I have purchased clothing at the Salvation Army as you have pointed out but now that I'm working I'm able to buy most things at Walmart. Is that OK with you?

My post #39 is part of a press release that sez the age 60/65 law is being challenged. So what's your problem?

You have everything, I'm a beaten man. Beaten by you, the FAA, your "get out of my seat" colleagues and your Union. Please keep in mind that all the while I still have a family that includes a 16-year old son. My son will be going to the Community College instead of U of I. Is that OK too? On the other hand you now have the opportunity to work 5-extra years if you so choose. From your post it sounds as though you're angry that the age 65 law is being challanged. I guess that's because you now want to work to age 65. That figures!

Do you go down to the streets and kick the homeless on your days off?

Undaunted- It can be argued that there has been only one constant, one guarantee, only one certain outcome in your entire career. And that is that you would retire the day you turned sixty.

Our "get out of my seat" colleagues?! What?! I just don't understand how this event (your retirement) managed to sneak up on anyone.

One of my sim instructors along the way was a guy who was on the brink of upgrade at a major airline when he had a seizure. After 2 years of tests, none of which found anything, he was on the verge of having his medical reinstated. He then had another seizure. His medical was revoked FOR LIFE. He has never found a cause and has never had another seizure. Now here's a guy who was "robbed of his career". Here's a guy who "was forced to retire early". Here's a "beaten man".

You retired because you turned sixty. Forgive me for saving my sympathy for my old sim instructor and others like him...

 

[pipe]

I have heard this before from many on this Board as well as from thousands of others on the line. It's just BS and you don't even know it. Almost no one retires early when they have reached a senior position. I am well aware of the constant complaining that goes with the job and part of that is the "I can't wait to retire and get out of this crap," or the "I'm not going to wait for age 60, l want to retire at age 55 when I can still enjoy life." Don't you understand that that is just part of the stereotypical cockpit conversation that is expected? Very few, to almost no one, really act on this fantasy. The truth is that almost everyone, unless there is some horrible commute or a personal situation at home will retire "early." I guess you haven’t figured this out yet. Your sincerity in your belief that you will retire early is so naive that it is actually quite funny to me. Of yes, I’m sure you will disagree with me and so will others from your group of young pilots, but I ask that you remember this posting when you’re age 64 and still flying. You’ll get a big laugh too.

Yeah. I'll get a big laugh when my B-Fund has been frozen since 2009 and my upgrade was 5 years late. I'll laugh at every contract negotiation as we fight the management contention that we "get" to work for 5 more years so we don't need this or that. I'll be laughing as loss of license/medical premiums go up due to the 60-65 year olds. I'll be laughing my a$$ off as I work 5 more years for free to recover what has been lost on the front end to the greediest generation. Yeah, you're right - that's really hilarious. Don't be an idiot!

PIPE

 

[Freight Dog]

Amen Skyboy!

Unfortunately, it will fall on deaf ears, or blind eyes in this case. It's all about UF and how he's been wronged by everybody. Now he's homeless, and we're all bad guys.

 

[BeCareful!]

Yeah. I'll get a big laugh when my B-Fund has been frozen since 2009 and my upgrade was 5 years late. I'll laugh at every contract negotiation as we fight the management contention that we "get" to work for 5 more years so we don't need this or that. I'll be laughing as loss of license/medical premiums go up due to the 60-65 year olds. I'll be laughing my a$$ off as I work 5 more years for free to recover what has been lost on the front end to the greediest generation. Yeah, you're right - that's really hilarious. Don't be an idiot!

PIPE

Well said, Pipe!

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Amen Skyboy!

Unfortunately, it will fall on deaf ears, or blind eyes in this case. It's all about UF and how he's been wronged by everybody. Now he's homeless, and we're all bad guys.

No, I'm not homeless, I'm planeless!

 

[bluesideup1]

No, I'm not homeless, I'm planeless!

You can add clueless and classless too.

 

[Gorilla]

I continue to be amazed at the number of pilots WHO DO NOT SAVE one thin dime of their salary... with something as critical as oh, say, paying for food and shelter as a retired person, it just MIGHT be wise to create personal retirement accounts apart from company pensions. A shocking revelation!

I pretend my retirement with my company doesn't exist. I also exclude social security. If either of those come through, hurray, I get to drink Sam Adams instead of Keystone Light. But if anything should be learned by this entire fiasco, and the shakeup of the airlines over the last 6 years, it's SAVE YOUR MONEY.

The days of the rich pilots living lavishly are over. Get used to it.

And to anyone who has been earning over $200,000 annually for 15 to 20 years, and are now broke, and retired, I shed not one tear for you. You blew all your money, and it's nobodies fault except your own.

 

[Whataburger]

And to anyone who has been earning over $200,000 annually for 15 to 20 years, and are now broke, and retired, I shed not one tear for you. You blew all your money, and it's nobodies fault except your own.

Just like M.C. Hammer!

 

[tomgoodman]

It's a jungle out there

I pretend my retirement with my company doesn't exist. I also exclude social security. If either of those come through, hurray, I get to drink Sam Adams instead of Keystone Light. But if anything should be learned by this entire fiasco, and the shakeup of the airlines over the last 6 years, it's SAVE YOUR MONEY.

Tarzan say: "Gorilla very wise."