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Age 60.....

The age 60 rule was reviewed by ALPA. They presented the issue to everyone, they educated everyone, they polled their members and they put it to a vote.

Vote your peace. Vote the way you think is correct, be an advocate for your position. But remember - you are just but one vote. One opinion of many. Regardless of how many strikes you have been a part of, or how many more you will endure.

There are people on both sides of the issue. Approaching Age 60 with 20 years in the company, lots of vacation, widebody captain pay - don't want to stop flying. Others who are 25, junior on the list, sitting in the back of the Boeing. There are others still who are furloughed, pilots who paid their dues who did not get a chance to vote. Each with their own opinion, some get one vote.

They voted, the results are in.

Bottom line: You vote what you believe in. You hope the results go your way. IF so - great. If not - that is the way the process works.

I know that people have strong opinions on the issue. But that is just ONE opinon. There is someone out there that feels just as strongly as you, in opposition. That doesn't make them wrong - only in opposed to your position.

But you have an opportunity to say your peace, get your opinion out there and try to convince people to vote your way.

Unless of course you aren't a member - then you need to shut your pie hole and quit your belly-aching. You don't have a speaking part in this play. The only thing worse than someone who doesn't contribute to the process is someone who sits on the sidelines and belly-aches about the results. If you don't pay dues and are not part of the process - you don't have a valued opinion. You may have an opinion - it just is not valued.
 
EX-ACTLY!


Most of us learned about the democratic process in grade school, both in the classroom and on the playground. Apparently, there are some folks out there that either A) did NOT learn about democracy, B) are so old and senile they forgot how democracy works, or C) are too selfish to care about how democracy is supposed to work.

My assessment is C).




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Par for the course

No surprises here.

The young guys screaming about getting rid of the old guys. They know all about being 60 except they haven't been to 50 yet!

Remember how smart yo were when you were 18? Then you hit 21 and realized what a dumbass you were at 18? Well that formula continues throughout your life.

Send them to corporate? (I guess life is easy over there) We hire alot of old guys where I work, and boy is it an eye opener for them. After about 6 months they either quite or they adapt.

There are a buttload of "old guys" in the guard and reserve flying combat missions in the mid east as we speak.

What we need is a system to monitor the health of all pilots regardless of their age, oh wait? We have that already! The Flight Physical.

It bugs me that you young guys could be so greedy and short sighted. If you are lucky, you will live to be an old guy, I hope you do.

I'm not worried though, as you mature your head will probably pop free of your ass.


Good luck be safe.
 
I don't know why you spend your time debating with foxhunter. He obviously wants the attention. He doesn't like age 60? Well tough, he knew the rules going into this and he has the opportunity to serve you coffee as an engineer.

He is trying to cause discontent and is since he chose not to pay his dues, he has no vote. No one listens to people like this anyway.

He faces a choice, either retire or become an engineer. He is lucky that he has that opportunity, since very few major carriers still fly three place aircraft. I hear that the DC-10s are going away in the future, I guess he will be a 727 engineer...
 
semore.........your post was good for a laugh. it was amusing.

as for being greedy though........that's not my issue. it's being forced to work past 60. and if you don't think that would happen after the rule change, your mind is well past its prime already.

as for Fox Hunter.........you're not worth a response.
 
Semore Butts said:
The young guys screaming about getting rid of the old guys. They know all about being 60 except they haven't been to 50 yet!

It bugs me that you young guys could be so greedy and short sighted. If you are lucky, you will live to be an old guy, I hope you do.

Young guys being greedy? I think not. To me it looks the other way around; the old senior guys are greedy. They made it to the left seat and now they want to stay there forever... never mind the fact that the only way they made it to that seat was that old guys were retiring ahead of them. Do you senior guys get it that you've all benefitted from the Age 60 rule and now you want it abolished? You knew what you were getting into, so quit yer bitchin'.

The only thing debatable about this whole mess is the pensions, or lack thereof at US Air and UAL...
 
jbDC9 said:
Young guys being greedy? I think not. To me it looks the other way around; the old senior guys are greedy. They made it to the left seat and now they want to stay there forever... never mind the fact that the only way they made it to that seat was that old guys were retiring ahead of them. Do you senior guys get it that you've all benefitted from the Age 60 rule and now you want it abolished? You knew what you were getting into, so quit yer bitchin'.

The only thing debatable about this whole mess is the pensions, or lack thereof at US Air and UAL...

If it were only about safety, there are many 50-year olds running around that make a good case for lowering the age! But, let's call a duck a duck; it really seems to be about career expectations. Raising the age only benefits captains and gets the F/O nothing but a longer wait to upgrade. There is no benefit for an F/O, unless he wishes to be a career F/O.

A wise man once said, "Don't buy anything you can't pay for in cash." I live by that saying, thus I will be ready and willing to relax and enjoy life at 60.

Cheers!
 
jon coqtoestone said:
A wise man once said, "Don't buy anything you can't pay for in cash." I live by that saying, thus I will be ready and willing to relax and enjoy life at 60.

Cheers!
So, you never had a mortgage on a house, huh?
 

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