After 5 years, Pinnacle put on ICE.

[xjhawk]

Mesaba has a good contract-once we merge the lists, there will be a contract in place. Our contract even has in it built in raises if they do not want to amend it. Done deal.

 

[WayBack]

You are dead on brother! He is ok with bowing down and you want to stand up. Fearful vs Balls. Who will win?

Have you ever seen PFT_128 in person?
He walks all hunched over because he's spineless.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Your post implies that the NMB has done something wrong. I'm not so sure that that's the case.

Let me get this straight. You think the NMB is right and ALPA is wrong...interesting. You also don't believe the PNCL pilot group should work to rule...very interesting.

In 1998, the Democratic NMB parked ASA for the very same reason. The ASA pilot group worked to rule and ASA came back to the table and met 90% of our demands....how was that different?

 

[WayBack]

Let me get this straight. You think the NMB is right and ALPA is wrong...interesting. You also don't believe the PNCL pilot group should work to rule...very interesting.

In 1998, the Democratic NMB parked ASA for the very same reason. The ASA pilot group worked to rule and ASA came back to the table and met 90% of our demands....how was that different?

He's just a sour puss because he's at AirTran now, where pilots are tired of ALPA already. Not to mention, he could possibly flowing through to DAL if he would have stuck around. His biggest dream is to wear a double breasted suit.

 

[samballs]

Really, really bad idea. Pinnacle management tracks discrepency entries for each pilot and takes note of any trends. If your write-ups spike, then they'll fire you. Not worth it. You're not going to win this one as a lone warrior. You need the support of the NMB. Take the necessary steps to get it. Illegal job actions will do the exact opposite.

Comair was put on ice 3 months before strike. Also, all the people who were fired for writing crap up, got their jobs back plus pay. You will run the airtran pilots into the worst contract ever. You are what is wrong with alpa (alpa does not deserve to be capitalized)

 

[WayBack]

Comair was put on ice 3 months before strike. Also, all the people who were fired for writing crap up, got their jobs back plus pay. You will run the airtran pilots into the worst contract ever. You are what is wrong with alpa (alpa does not deserve to be capitalized)

I had a witty reply to this comment, which I agree with, but I got distracted by your avatar.

 

[kellwolf]

If something's broken on the plane.....write it up. If it broke in FSM, it broke in FSM, not on the way back to MEM so you can get Lenny's. If they fire me for doing that, well, I'll have a nice cushy lawsuit for wrongful termination and the FAA on speed dial. Now, if you're making up stuff to write up, I can see them firing you. If you're writing up legit things when and where they break, you're being a professional and doing your job properly.

As far as the MEC drama.....it's all rumor and innuendo unless you were in the room. Someone mentioned that during TA1, SE gave the impression he was for it. Honestly, I never got that impression from the times I talked to him about it. The MEC gave a "netural" recommendation, and he pretty much stuck to that. Listening to tone of voice when he talked about certain section, I could pretty much tell it was gonna be crap before I ever even read the thing. The real tragedy was that it made it to the pilot group. But, with one of the MEC members being on the NC team....well, we knew where that vote was gonna go. We also had too many people that just wanted to see it, and I think curiosity killed the cat in this instance.

 

[PCL_128]

Let me get this straight. You think the NMB is right and ALPA is wrong...interesting.

As always, my question to you is "who is ALPA?" Are you talking about ALPA national, or the local MEC? It's rare for the guys in Herndon to get something wrong when talking about how to deal with the NMB. MECs get it wrong quite frequently, though. Is that the case here? I don't know, but it's certainly a possibility.

You also don't believe the PNCL pilot group should work to rule...very interesting.

Depends on what you mean by "work to rule." Do you mean "follow the contract to the letter and don't do them any favors?" If so, then I think that's exactly what they should do. If you mean "intentionally increase your number of write-ups," then no, I don't think they should do that. There is a big difference.

 

[DoinTime]

Comair was put on ice 3 months before strike. Also, all the people who were fired for writing crap up, got their jobs back plus pay. You will run the airtran pilots into the worst contract ever. You are what is wrong with alpa (alpa does not deserve to be capitalized)

Most releases by the NMB are preceded by a short period of being on ice. Ice is just a step in the process leading to a cooling off period. I expect a PCL release in September.

 

[1.3XVso]

He's just a sour puss because he's at AirTran now, where pilots are tired of ALPA already. Not to mention, he could possibly flowing through to DAL if he would have stuck around. His biggest dream is to wear a double breasted suit.

LMFAO....His dream is to be the Chairman @ Airtran getting paid 100hr credit + Check Airmen pay, sit at home (dequaled) like our MEC Chairman at 9E. Im done with ALPA.

 

[Flyer1015]

I expect a PCL release in September.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[pipejockey]

Recessing negotiations usually means that the NMB is trying to pressure the union side to make some movement. So, the NMB will probably wait until the Association gives them some sort of indication that they're willing to move on some of the items of contention.

So it's the same old sh*t from the NMB. What do they want from the regional pilot group? Blood now? They can't really think that livable wages are paid to regional FO's can they? I guess they are just not important. And unless you are going to be a career 18+ year regional guy, you will never make a decent wage at these useless regionals.

 

[PCL_128]

So it's the same old sh*t from the NMB. What do they want from the regional pilot group? Blood now? They can't really think that livable wages are paid to regional FO's can they? I guess they are just not important. And unless you are going to be a career 18+ year regional guy, you will never make a decent wage at these useless regionals.

The two parties already agreed to the pay rates. It's not about that.

 

[Regul8r]

It has nothing to do with being "scared." It's about what will really get you a contract instead of what will make you feel good temporarily.

No...it's about getting a contract 9E pilots want, versus getting a contract Phil wiped his ass with. Let me guess...you're suggesting the 9E pilots get a TA passed just for the sake of having a TA?

The job of the union is to get you a fair contract. That won't be accomplished by a few guys writing up windshields in Moline. It will be accomplished by the MEC getting the NMB on their side and proffering the case so you can finally bring this thing to a head. Hopefully the MEC is asking the experienced attorneys in Herndon for advice. That's how this this will actually get finished.

And the NMB has just said the pilots need to bend backwards just a little bit further for management. Hmmmm...looks like no one is in 9E's corner, who do they turn to now?

 

[PCL_128]

No...it's about getting a contract 9E pilots want, versus getting a contract Phil wiped his ass with. Let me guess...you're suggesting the 9E pilots get a TA passed just for the sake of having a TA?

Of course not. I'm suggesting that they take the necessary steps to get a fair contract that they will be happy with.

And the NMB has just said the pilots need to bend backwards just a little bit further for management. Hmmmm...looks like no one is in 9E's corner, who do they turn to now?

There is no one to turn to other than the NMB. They have the sole power to help the PCL pilots get to a contract. They have to get them on their side. There is no other way.

 

[Smarta$$]

Of course not. I'm suggesting that they take the necessary steps to get a fair contract that they will be happy with.



There is no one to turn to other than the NMB. They have the sole power to help the PCL pilots get to a contract. They have to get them on their side. There is no other way.

Come on PCL. How did NW get their contract improvements a few years ago after bankruptcy? How did ASA achieve a contract after 5 years?

I agree that a lone wolf will only get himself in trouble, but a fairly unified effort is extremely effective and has been proven so in the past.

 

[PCL_128]

I agree that a lone wolf will only get himself in trouble, but a fairly unified effort is extremely effective and has been proven so in the past.

You know your pilot group. Do you really think that 1300 pilots, or even 700 pilots, are going to all unify and do what you're implying? Don't kid yourself. It isn't going to happen. Instead, a few angry guys will do it and get fired, the NMB will get angry at your pilot group, and you'll wait another two years for a TA.

The only realistic option for getting to a fair TA is by working within the system.

 

[fofornow]

You guys need to grow up, and stop your school girl whining!!! Did you forget who is in office? Remember Bush is finally gone! The union told me that we will never get a contract with a republican in office. If we ever want a contract, we HAVE to vote for obama. He's sooo smart, he's our only hope. He hates big business, and will "fight" for the working class! Keep the "hope" alive. He hasn't even been in office for 2 years yet! He will fix it, just give him more time! I'm so glad I listened to the union, they always know better...

 

[popgoesbubble]

I thought your Messiah, the great Obama, was going to change all this. Let me guess, this is still Bush's fault.

Joe funny you should say that most of the pilots based in MSP are big time Obama and franken supporters. I'm surprised that they even need a new contract didn't Obama just get everyone free Health care? Yes Yes Yes We Can!!!.. Obama is gonna do so much good for the union worker NOT!!!!...

 

[Smarta$$]

Joe funny you should say that most of the pilots based in MSP are big time Obama and franken supporters. I'm surprised that they even need a new contract didn't Obama just get everyone free Health care? Yes Yes Yes We Can!!!.. Obama is gonna do so much good for the union worker NOT!!!!...

Pilots are dumb enough to mostly vote republican. Democrat presidents know this. They have no reason to help pilots. Pilots get what they vote for... Which is help for their CEOs and not themselves.