Aeronautical Pet Peeves

[dash8driver]

yes, very well said tony... and very well spelt i might add.



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[CA1900]

Got a new one last week:

We're cruising along at about 210 in the mighty 1900. We're given a descent. PF pulls the power back far enough that...

A. The gear warning horn goes off and I have to silence it, and
B. The airplane slows down 20-30 knots very quickly as he slowly lowers the nose, making everybody slide forward in their seatbelts as we decelerate.

So now we're descending at 180, level-off time comes, and it's power jammed back up as the nose comes up, pushing everybody back down into their seats.

He did this several times in a row until I pointed it out to him. Then he said "Oh, OK" and did it some more. :uzi:


It's a turboprop. There's no reason at all to power back that much unless we're at high altitude, a few knots from the redline. If you're slowing down as you descend, you're doing it wrong.

Thank you.

 

[[email protected]]

Wow, If there is one thing that we are good at as pilots it's complaining. I can't lie though, I agree with most of those pet peeves

 

[pilotmiketx]

I advocate spanking as a form of discipline because it is a Biblical concept.

So when they're really bad, I guess you stone them or crucify them?

 

[pilotmiketx]

Got a new one last week:

We're cruising along at about 210 in the mighty 1900. We're given a descent. PF pulls the power back far enough that...

A. The gear warning horn goes off and I have to silence it, and
B. The airplane slows down 20-30 knots very quickly as he slowly lowers the nose, making everybody slide forward in their seatbelts as we decelerate.

So now we're descending at 180, level-off time comes, and it's power jammed back up as the nose comes up, pushing everybody back down into their seats.

He did this several times in a row until I pointed it out to him. Then he said "Oh, OK" and did it some more. :uzi:


It's a turboprop. There's no reason at all to power back that much unless we're at high altitude, a few knots from the redline. If you're slowing down as you descend, you're doing it wrong.

Thank you.

It's not complaining if it's about poor airmanship. I flew on a Saab 340 and the weather was widely scattered towering cumulus. The crew managed to hit the tops of every freaking cloud for 200 miles. Real professional guys.

 

[TonyC]

So when they're really bad, I guess you stone them or crucify them?

By Biblical concept I do not mean that it is mentioned somewhere in the Bible. While there is an incident where men are thrown into a fiery furnace as punishment, I will not do that with my children, as it is not advocated for the purpose of raising children. I will not throw my children into a pit, or into a lion's den, nor will I cut their ears off. I will not use a slingshot to throw stones at their foreheads, and I will not make them live in tents.


If you'll show me where the practices of stoning or crucifixion were advocated for the purpose of raising children, I'd love to discuss it.






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[pilotmiketx]

I will not make them live in tents.

That's for the Army to do.

 

[Ill Mitch]

Phoenix Air Transport...we got 4 of em

That used to be Catalina Flying Boats, right? Is RB still woring there?

 

[TonyC]

That's for the Army to do.

You got me!

I mistook a flippant remark for a serious post. Sorry.



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[Lead Sled]

Wow, If there is one thing that we are good at as pilots it's complaining. I can't lie though, I agree with most of those pet peeves

Yup, you got that right. You know what the difference is between a pilot and a jet engine? A jet engine quits whinning after you arrive at the gate. :laugh:

'Sled

 

[414Flyer]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... all the men of the city shall stone him with stones, that he die .... [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif](Dt. 21:18, 21)
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My pet peeve would be people who turn their brains off when entering the cockpit and just do everything from memorization or lists or flows, but not actually thinking about what they are doing. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying talking about checklists or flows, but when people do those and are completely braindead while they are doing such things.

Asian pilots can sometimes be like that, because of cultural factors, where either they are used to asking the captain for permission to do anything at all, or where neither one will do anything without permission of dispatch or operations. The recent cyprus crash was an example of that, however they were not asian, but still similar lack of command decision and leaving the decision making to those on the ground.

 

[Alin10123]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... all the men of the city shall stone him with stones, that he die .... [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif](Dt. 21:18, 21)
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My pet peeve would be people who turn their brains off when entering the cockpit and just do everything from memorization or lists or flows, but not actually thinking about what they are doing. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying talking about checklists or flows, but when people do those and are completely braindead while they are doing such things.

Asian pilots can sometimes be like that, because of cultural factors, where either they are used to asking the captain for permission to do anything at all, or where neither one will do anything without permission of dispatch or operations. The recent cyprus crash was an example of that, however they were not asian, but still similar lack of command decision and leaving the decision making to those on the ground.

I couldn't agree with you more on that one. Asians tend to be very objective rather than subjective. They will do things a certain way and a certain way only. It's very hard for them to by subjective based on the situation. It's not only in flight, they do that in their daily lives as well. For example, a certain brand is the "high class" brand. Then everyone will want that brand and that brand only. Right now the latest craze in China are the Omega watches. Although there are lots of better brands. They dont care, they will starve themselves to save up enough money to buy a Omega watch. Dont try to tell me it's not true and they aren't all like that. Most if not almost all of them are sort of like that in one way or another. It's not entirely their fault, in a way it's how they were brought up. I've run across so much of that stuff lately that i could write a whole book on the wierdness of the asian culture and how far they will go to "save face". Some of the things are really drastic.

 

[ukpylot]

People who don't pause when they switch over and they just step all over you.

When atc says "Stand by" and people resond "standing by"

Last year on two consecutive days at my home field:

ATC1: Cessna 1234 stand by
Me: <silence>
ATC1: Cessna 1234, I said standby!
Me: Cessna 1234 standing by

Next day:

ATC2: Cessna 1234 stand by
Me: Cessna 1234 standing by (well maybe our tower has its own rules now)
ATC2: When I tell you to stand by it means we're busy and don't want you to block the frequency by repeating it back to us
Me: er, sorry.

Fortunately one was male and one was female so after that I tried to guess when the person wanted a readback. But then I decided to stick with the silence (or double-click on the mic) and just get told off when I was 'wrong'.

 

[twin beaver]

Radio hogs doing touch and goes at uncontrolled airports.

"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X departing runway x.... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X upwind runway x...ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left crosswind runway x....ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left downwind runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left base runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X turning final runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X short final touch and go runway x... ABC"

Getting cut off by corporate jets or bonanzas in the cub because, if I'm not transmitting, I must not be there! Eyes are for looking. I'm the one in 'camo yellow'.
It's fun to do a low pass on them, after they position and hold in front of me.
"uh, er, yellow high-wing on upwind in sight, will maintain visual".

Biggest peeve, turbine guys assuming they have priority in the pattern. We have a local C560 that can keep it tight behind the cub(s), and still clear at the first taxiway, without reversers. That's air(wo)manship. she's a good stick.

Next big peeve. Instructors who don't get it. They are doing the biggest dis-service to this industry. To teach someone is a bond, not a stepping stone. Okay, you're getting hours for the 'next thing', but while you're here, be good at your job. You have more influence over the future of aviation than you think. Your influence will last a career.

 

[pilotviolin]

Delays caused by the unnecessary preferantial treatment of airlines that cost the Federal Reserve lost interest when I'm forced to slow to 170, 20 miles out. My average float per leg 30 to 60 mill.

SLC does this all of the time! SLC are the worst controllers in the nation.