ackattacker
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A few more things have me a bit confused as to this pilot's thought process... or lack thereof.
metar from KACY at the time of the crash:
KACY 151854Z 27012KT 10SM CLR 24/14 A2980 RMK AO2 SLP092 T02440144 $
Sandcastle stadium is just to the southwest of the field. Yet news reports say "Just before the crash occurred, the jet repeatedly passed over Sandcastle Stadium". But sandcastle stadium doesn't lie directly under the approach path for any of the runways...
Presumably they landed on rwy 29... I mean, if they went around twice they should have gotten a good look at the windsock. Of course, rwy 29 has a displaced threshold (landing distance 2829'), no visual approach slope indicator, and serious obstacles in the approach path. (Bader field, for those who haven't been there, is actually IN DOWNTOWN. You can walk to the casinos.) If you're landing 29 then you have to fly over downtown Atlantic City (500' tall buildings less than a mile from the threshold) or cut in a very tight base leg. Which is why the only instrument approach choices are from the west, to land 11 or circle.
From the AFD:
- NUMEROUS CRANES (60' TO 200' AGL) OPERATING ON & INVOF ARPT INDEFLY.
- ARPT CLSD 0530-0830 EVERY FRI FOR MAINTENANCE.
- PROTRUDING BULKHEAD APPROXIMATELY 230 FT SHORT RY 22 THLD & 300 FT SHORT RY 29 DSPLCD THLD.
- AUTOMATED UNICOM-ACTVT CTAF.
- SHIP MASTS 35' PASSING IN CHANNEL WITHIN 500' EAST OF ARPT.
- ARPT CLSD INDEFLY TO CAT B-C-D-E ACFT; EXCEPT STOL & ROTORCRAFT; UNDER FAR PART 97.3.
- BIRDS ON & INVOF ARPT.
- NOISE SENSITIVE AREA - MAKE LEFT TURNS ASAP RWY 11 DEPARTURES.
- RY 04 CLSD FOR LANDINGS INDEFLY.
- RY 22 CLSD FOR TAKEOFFS INDEFLY.
- ARPT CLSD TO JET ACFT.
I used to love renting a single engine and flying down to Atlantic City with a few friends. We'd occasionally go into Bader, but even in small single the airport is kind of scary. There are obstacles everywhere, no FBO, and unattended most of the time. The runways were often covered in broken sea shells (from seagulls who pick them up then drop them on the pavement to break them open). Definately ghetto. ACY was frankly more convenient even in a Cessna 172. Why anyone would attempt to land a CJ2 at Bader is beyond me.
Brake failure--- yeah right.
metar from KACY at the time of the crash:
KACY 151854Z 27012KT 10SM CLR 24/14 A2980 RMK AO2 SLP092 T02440144 $
Sandcastle stadium is just to the southwest of the field. Yet news reports say "Just before the crash occurred, the jet repeatedly passed over Sandcastle Stadium". But sandcastle stadium doesn't lie directly under the approach path for any of the runways...
Presumably they landed on rwy 29... I mean, if they went around twice they should have gotten a good look at the windsock. Of course, rwy 29 has a displaced threshold (landing distance 2829'), no visual approach slope indicator, and serious obstacles in the approach path. (Bader field, for those who haven't been there, is actually IN DOWNTOWN. You can walk to the casinos.) If you're landing 29 then you have to fly over downtown Atlantic City (500' tall buildings less than a mile from the threshold) or cut in a very tight base leg. Which is why the only instrument approach choices are from the west, to land 11 or circle.
From the AFD:
- NUMEROUS CRANES (60' TO 200' AGL) OPERATING ON & INVOF ARPT INDEFLY.
- ARPT CLSD 0530-0830 EVERY FRI FOR MAINTENANCE.
- PROTRUDING BULKHEAD APPROXIMATELY 230 FT SHORT RY 22 THLD & 300 FT SHORT RY 29 DSPLCD THLD.
- AUTOMATED UNICOM-ACTVT CTAF.
- SHIP MASTS 35' PASSING IN CHANNEL WITHIN 500' EAST OF ARPT.
- ARPT CLSD INDEFLY TO CAT B-C-D-E ACFT; EXCEPT STOL & ROTORCRAFT; UNDER FAR PART 97.3.
- BIRDS ON & INVOF ARPT.
- NOISE SENSITIVE AREA - MAKE LEFT TURNS ASAP RWY 11 DEPARTURES.
- RY 04 CLSD FOR LANDINGS INDEFLY.
- RY 22 CLSD FOR TAKEOFFS INDEFLY.
- ARPT CLSD TO JET ACFT.
I used to love renting a single engine and flying down to Atlantic City with a few friends. We'd occasionally go into Bader, but even in small single the airport is kind of scary. There are obstacles everywhere, no FBO, and unattended most of the time. The runways were often covered in broken sea shells (from seagulls who pick them up then drop them on the pavement to break them open). Definately ghetto. ACY was frankly more convenient even in a Cessna 172. Why anyone would attempt to land a CJ2 at Bader is beyond me.
Brake failure--- yeah right.
