According to Captain Reason......

[JohnDoe]

quote from Blue Bayou"

"What about the FO? Maybe the FO could've helped the Captain out by confronting him; if he never made it to the plane, nothing would have happened(except a phone call to scheduling/chief pilot). It goes a long way to operating an aircraft as a crew-- we need to back each other up more."




Gimmie a break!!

How about personal responsibility??

It's simple. You wanna go and play airline captain and carry a gun......DON'T DRINK when you shouldn't be. Period. Nobody else should have to watch out for you.

 

[fletch717]

We hav'nt had colonel angus around here for a long time. I know everybody is happy to have colonel angus again.

after colonel angus retired he went back to his given name anal angus.

 

[mmmdonut]

I love that joke!

 

[79%N1]

I dont think its fair to say the FO should have intervened. How am I supposed to know if the other guy was drinking long into the night, unless he tells me? I usually dont go around sniffing his breath, unlike our TSA buddies.

 

[Huck]

Maybe the FO could've helped the Captain out by confronting him;

Maybe he was scared he'd shoot him.

Seriously - dude smelled of alcohol and had a weapon. Maybe the F/O was doing his part by not getting into the cockpit. I would have thought twice about stirring him up, myself. This ain't the traditional interview scenario. This was guy with a firearm, a federal ID and a buzz on.

 

[8vATE]

I love that joke!

The whole thing seems like a bad joke...


His name for one....

It just gets worse and worse..

Saw that the AWA Capt/FO will be prosecuted by the state of florida after all.

Went all the way to the Supreme Court.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Maybe he was scared he'd shoot him.

This ain't the traditional interview scenario. This was guy with a firearm, a federal ID and a buzz on.

Rolling in the floor LOL

This guy with a firearm, a federal ID and a buzz on...walks into a bar with a monkey....

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Well, if this guy reeked of alcohol, I'm sure the F/O could've smelled him out. My feeling is that all crewmembers have a responsibility. If that TSA guy didn't get him, would you allow the Captain to take control of that plane if you were the FO? If it was caught at say, the hotel at bus time, we all wouldn't be smacking this guy right now, nor would Airtran suffer the bad press that goes with it. RESPONSIBILITY is a crew RESPONSIBILITY, how 'bout that!!!

 

[FL717]

Well, if this guy reeked of alcohol, I'm sure the F/O could've smelled him out. My feeling is that all crewmembers have a responsibility. If that TSA guy didn't get him, would you allow the Captain to take control of that plane if you were the FO? If it was caught at say, the hotel at bus time, we all wouldn't be smacking this guy right now, nor would Airtran suffer the bad press that goes with it. RESPONSIBILITY is a crew RESPONSIBILITY, how 'bout that!!!

How about this: You and everyone here that has all the opinions and answers about this incident don't know ANYTHING about the circumstances of the incident.

Was there in fact a "CREW" that accompanied this individual from the hotel? Was this individual even staying at the hotel and did he arrive at the aircraft with the crew? I'll give you geniuses something to think about.... AirTran doesn't have Flight attendants that overnight in LAS, and therefore weren't even with the Pilots, and in fact arrived in LAS an hour earlier WITH THE AIRCRAFT.

How about the First Officer? Did he arrive at the airport by himself because he lives in LAS and went home, or did the Captain arrive after the First Officer, and in fact maybe the First Officer hadn't even had contact with the Captain when the Police Dept confronted the Captain in the aircraft galley?

You all seem to talk out your a$$, so please continue... it gives me a chance to see who the real professionals are around here.

BTW - The Police reports were enough to get this individual fired from AirTran today, and if convicted, his actions are inexcuseable.... and he will rightfully so be labelled as such, much like some of the assinie comments from a few a$$holes.... I mean..... this esteemed group here on this thread.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

FL717, take a chill pill dude. There are a lot of IFs-- there is always a chain of events, if at any point someone could've stopped him from going to the airport, your airline wouldn't be going through all this. All I suggested in my original post was that we need to back each other up more-- so IF there was an FO around, it would've been nice for him to have confronted the captain IF he thought he wasn't in great shape... He was arrested in the cockpit of the aircraft, so at some point there was an FO around, I hope!!! Unless it was cold and raining outside, then he was probably out doing the walk-around, heheh...

 

[FN FAL]

What I don't understand is, why didn't they let things progress along untill the co-pilot had culpability?

For crying out loud, co-pilots whine about logging this and that, but they never whine about going down with captain!

I say, it's high time them co-pilot pukes went down with captain or were forced to do some hari kari shchit. Split some time logging that, you pukes.

 

[FL717]

FL717, take a chill pill dude. There are a lot of IFs-- there is always a chain of events, if at any point someone could've stopped him from going to the airport, your airline wouldn't be going through all this. All I suggested in my original post was that we need to back each other up more-- so IF there was an FO around, it would've been nice for him to have confronted the captain IF he thought he wasn't in great shape... He was arrested in the cockpit of the aircraft, so at some point there was an FO around, I hope!!! Unless it was cold and raining outside, then he was probably out doing the walk-around, heheh...

I agree with your "teamwork" chain of events attitude. This is a classic CRM situation question that we have all had asked during interviews.

What I disagree with is the erroneous assumptions stated as fact by people on these forums, from simply reading press releases.

Here is an example: Read YOUR statement above that I have underlined in bold. "He was arrested in the cockpit of the aircraft, so at some point there was an FO around,"

You pass this statement as fact. Here is the fact: He was confronted in the aircraft galley as he boarded the aircraft...... not the cockpit. The LAS Police Dept told him he had a family emergency and got him off the aircraft BEFORE he was able to interact closely with anyone.

That is my only point.

Again... IF convicted... then "F" him and good riddance.

 

[Ty Webb]

I agree- there is entirely too much speculation about this incident. Much more than it deserves.

If it is true, then this guy has a problem . . . a problem that just cost him several million dollars, gave our company a black eye, and the FFDO program.

How about we all give it a rest. This guy just went from tenth year CA pay of about $155,000./yr to nothing, plus a whole bunch of legal bills. I'd say he has enough grief coming.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Not a "leak" of information

The FFDO status is fair game. Look at it from the media perspective. As much as I dislike some of the media folks out there, they do have a job to do and that is TO ASK QUESTIONS! I did a lot of work with reporters when I was in the Navy, and one thing was always stressed by our Public Affairs folks. Don't ever lie to them.

They come with a list of questions to any story. Where was the plane going? What time was this discovered? How many people were onboard? And in this day and age, they are guaranteed to ask: Was the pilot armed? To not ask it would be remiss, and to not answer it would be a coverup.

I did laugh at the "one and a fifth" joke though........

Catfish