ACA to go it alone!

[KingAirer]

In response to Wackford.

Who knows that ACA is a low cost carrier? SW has spent years claiming the identity that they are "THE low fare airline". ACA is going to have to spend a lot of money on advertising to get people to look to them for the low fares.

Yes there was competition when Jetblue started, but they, Jetblue, offered something different than the competition. In-flight entertainment for all passengers, new planes, great service, and low fares. Can ACA do that?

USAirways and UAL arent LCC, you're right, but you can bet they will match prices on these routes, plus they have the customer bennies like freq flyer miles.

I hope this works for you guys! I really do, itll be interesting to watch.

 

[Av8tor]

ACA is planning on spending lots of $money$ to get the word out to everyone about the new operation!!

 

[KingAirer]

Great, thats exactly what its going to take. Not just US Today stuff, but TELEVISION!, something that other carrier (except SW) have all but abandoned. The new logo looks sharp!

 

[wackford]

Tarp,

Who ever heard of JetBlue before...............??????????????


Nobody............. it was a new company. JetBlue, what the heck is that............

That's what ACA will be creating. A new company with a new name. Of course nobody heard of ACA before. We flew for UAl as United Express just like those other carriers.

ACA management/ownership has stated they will spend a huge amount of money on advertising this "new" airline.

 

[j41driver]

I hope you shorted ACA, because if you're expecting ACA stock to skyrocket after this announcement, you'll be disappointed.

Good luck to all at ACA. I quit two weeks ago, so I'll be watching this one from the sidelines.

Don't forget that you do have 30 days to come back with no change in seniority if you want to.

 

[wackford]

ACA, which will be renamed at a later date, is planning on UTILIZING “narrow body” equipment (read Boeing 737, or Airbus whatever) in addition to the CRJs. Concerning furloughs:
No further furloughs would be necessary if ACA BUYS narrow body jets, UAL thing is gone and we are flying as the new LCC. ACA has a “senior” pilot force..

I hope that the pilot group is NOT willing to accept sub-standard wages to get the CHANCE to fly big airplanes.
Who knows, maybe ACA will be the newest best thing.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Gimme a break. Coke sucks. You should keep Pepsi and Pepsi products.

 

[f9driver]

CASM

CASM does not tell the whole story. The B-747 had one of the lowest cost ASM's in the business but the aircraft hourly cost was horrendous and broke more than one airline....Pan AM, etc. One poster gave an example of a 1000n.m CRJ flight at .14 CASM and a $150 ticket price. I think ACA's example was Rochester, N.Y to LGA or IAD. That would be less than half that. ACA has a good possibility of pulling this off.

 

[CHIEEEEFS]

codeshares

What if America West, Frontier or Alaska open a new focus city in IAD. Or what if all three open a focus city. Now there would be some utilization.

Aye-ca-rum-ba

This kinda thing is fun to think about.

 

[CFIIinSAN]

3 observations

1. I think we know who the new Frontier Express will be.

2. I know PIT has been dying to have a low fare carrier hub out
of there. (They certainly have plent of gate space)

3. The code-share possibilities for ACA being on their own are
are HUGE!!!

"It's the things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm"

 

[CFIIinSAN]

1 last thing

Has anyone else noticed that the media keeps referring to ACA as "Atlantic" and not Atlantic Coast? Is this something they have always done? (I've never noticed before). Maybe it's a hint to the rumor going around that ACA would consider chaning its' name if they went it alone?!?!?!

Atlantic Airlines...has a ring to it

 

[General Lee]

I don't mean to be negative, but didn't Midway Airlines have an East Coast hub near IAD (RDU) and have RJ's and mainline jets (F100's, 737-700's, A320's way back when)? How did they do against the big boys? I know the areas around IAD are growing, which has to be good for them, but it makes me nervous.
Good luck.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[KingAirer]

Im not sure but i dont think Midway was marketed as a LCC. They focused on being "Carolina Class". What deference that will make who knows.

 

[PCL_128]

I hope you ACA guys have some good scope. Otherwise you might find Ryan or some other airline handling those larger airplanes. Kinda makes you ALPA haters think of scope a little differently now, doesn't it?

 

[RJPilott]

I hope you ACA guys have some good scope. Otherwise you might find Ryan or some other airline handling those larger airplanes. Kinda makes you ALPA haters think of scope a little differently now, doesn't it?

Tom Moore and the boys were asked this very question in the webcast. The question was raised whether ACA would seek "experienced pilots on furlough from other carriers to fly the heavy equip". Tom replied, "We have full confidence in our current staff of pilots to make a smooth transition (CRJ, Glass cockpit, FMS.. etc etc), and we will have to honor the contract with ALPA. Which is our pilots will be flying those airplanes" . Not a direct quote, but basically a summary. Listen to the webcast found at the following link for more info.

http://www.atlanticcoast.com/pressreleasearchive/2003/july/webcastinstructions.htm

 

[Smoking Man]

ACA Guys and Gals

Gutsiest Move I ever saw Mav. I wish you nothing but success. In this world sometimes the worst risk is not ever taking one.

Awsome.

Best of luck!

Smoking Man

 

[RJPilott]

Yep, i read it. It is what YOU understood to be coming from him. Listen to the webcast. Its pretty straight forward. Also check our scope regarding ANY flying done under ACAI.

 

[wackford]

I did listen to the webcast, twice. It wasn't mentioned there.

Has everyone already forgot about the Virgin rumors that were rampant on this board just one week ago. Is it still possible for ACA to have a minority share in a new airline? They have mentioned several times that they are not disclosing everything yet in order to keep the competition guessing.

Don't count your chickens before they are hatched is all I'm saying. If there is a low standard of pay it better be a short contract just to facilatate the start of this new venture. No five year deal ......

If we code share (outsource) the narrow body jets then we will furlough more pilots. We have a senior pilot group and it would be more economical to code share (outsource) the flying. It was mentioned that Jetblue had a junior pilot force.

What is not said can be just as important as what is said.

 

[RJPilott]

I did listen to the webcast, twice. It wasn't mentioned there.

Go back. Click on the link i provided. Scan thru till you reach 56:25 and listen till 57:52. Thanks for getting me to spend my time this morning to hold your hand and show you where it is. Ever heard of the term self-fulfilling prophecy? Sounds like you want to get furloughed. Relax, its spelled out in plain english on the webcast. I think you may have misunderstood Tom in the meeting you attended (perhaps that is why everyone clapped and you didnt?).

 

[avrodriver]

Wackford, don't sweat it....you are correct in being cautious. RJPilott I've never seen anyone with as much blind faith in mgmt. Since the day I started this gig I have never known the words, or SIGNED CONTRACTS, by our leaders to be a guarantee of anything. Anyway.....I wish you guys all the luck in the world. I'm pretty jealous and not because you might be getting larger aircraft, it's because you have the chance to work for an airline that is in control of it's own destiny, instead someone other than the airline that signs my checks calling the shots. Some day.............=). AD