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AFELLOWAVIATOR
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I am just quoting what I have been told at these stations. Face it guys, ACA's lackluster performance is a fact and thats that.
As far as gloating, I would never do that. I work for a superior airline and thats that.
As far as having any thing against the ACA pilots, well, most all Comair pilots will never forget the ACA+I% CRAP we had to fight while we were on strike.
You people folded after just 10 months of negotiations while we were fighting for our lives to get a great contract for 3 plus years. ACA pilots did nothing to raise the bar, and as far as I am concerned, are a bunch of sell outs.
And this SKYWEST pilot is upset at me for being mean to his ACA buds. Well, Skywest is even worst than ACA. They refuse to unionize, so pilots like us have to do all the hard work, like strike, so skywest pilots can benifit.
As far as gloating, I would never do that. I work for a superior airline and thats that.
As far as having any thing against the ACA pilots, well, most all Comair pilots will never forget the ACA+I% CRAP we had to fight while we were on strike.
You people folded after just 10 months of negotiations while we were fighting for our lives to get a great contract for 3 plus years. ACA pilots did nothing to raise the bar, and as far as I am concerned, are a bunch of sell outs.
And this SKYWEST pilot is upset at me for being mean to his ACA buds. Well, Skywest is even worst than ACA. They refuse to unionize, so pilots like us have to do all the hard work, like strike, so skywest pilots can benifit.
I just was looking at Afellowaviator time frame. For someone who has those hours flying and so much knowledge about everything why are you not flying for the majors? You seem bitter about everyone, not blowing your own horn. It seems to me that when your company was negotiations that your pilot group wanted to continue against unions support of your first contract.
I agree with others in here that your upset with everyone and need to take a good look in the mirror. You really believe Comair has started the new standards with regional growth. If you do your in bad shape.
I agree with others in here that your upset with everyone and need to take a good look in the mirror. You really believe Comair has started the new standards with regional growth. If you do your in bad shape.
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Well, now I am unhappy and cannot get a job at a major because I have opinions based on fact. If that is all you can give in reply then I quess you all agree.
I actually am very proud of my airline, and despite having to fight ACA +1% CRAP, we fought a good fight and we all hold our heads up high.
Airlines like skywest are what we refer to as "leaches" in the industry.
They reap the rewards for our sacrifices.
You may think I sound bitter, and maybe I come across like that, but I am not. I just have opinions and spout them out on this forum.
Actually, I would never make an ACA or Skywest pilot feel uncomfortable or unwelcome on my jumpseat, that thing is sacride, and personnel feelings should never come into that area.
I actually am very proud of my airline, and despite having to fight ACA +1% CRAP, we fought a good fight and we all hold our heads up high.
Airlines like skywest are what we refer to as "leaches" in the industry.
They reap the rewards for our sacrifices.
You may think I sound bitter, and maybe I come across like that, but I am not. I just have opinions and spout them out on this forum.
Actually, I would never make an ACA or Skywest pilot feel uncomfortable or unwelcome on my jumpseat, that thing is sacride, and personnel feelings should never come into that area.
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Straight from the Delta the latest results of Connection carriers for the week ending Sept 19:
Departures (within :05): Skywest 86.8%; AAEagle 86.0%; ACA 78.4%; Comair 72.7%; ASA 61.0%; Goal 74.8%.
Arrivals (within :15): Skywest 92.5%; AAEagle 88.5%; ACA 83.4%; Comair 79.8%; ASA 69.7%; Goal 82.9%.
Completion Rate: AAEagle 98.9%; Comair 98.7%; Skywest 98.5%; ASA 97.1%; ACA 95.4%; Goal 96.9%.
I wish you guys would back up your arguements with some facts instead of me having to go find it myself. It makes for much better reading.
An8tor:
What problems is Chautauqua having getting the MCO base started? State some facts. RP (Chautauqua code) is scheduled to start flying Dec 1, with 3 roundtrips each to MCO and TPA from CMH. From what I understand they already have a maint hanger in CMH and they have secured a maint. facility in MCO thats already adequate for the expected 22 confirmed aircraft.
Hellas:
You are quite correct that in the audit of Chautauqua it scored the highest in safety of any Delta Connection, including the wholly-owned carriers. They have a very impressive operation, we just hope they can produce the same results here that they have at other carriers. RP can expect to see some of the 30 options confirmed aprox. 6 months after the start if they produce favorable results and the economy doesn't completely tank. They should be commended on the improved on time/completion results in STL over the previous carrier. Especially of late; the last numbers I saw were above 99% completion and 93%+ arrival in STL; thats impressive.
Afellowaviator:
You might want to spread the word up in CVG, Delta will take the company that provides a quality product at the cheapest rate. In fact Chautauqua was 2% lower than ACA. In addition the 37 seat Embraer has lower operating cost than the 40 seat Canadair. The 40 and 50 seat CRJ have the same operational cost structure with the exception of the manufacturer leasing arrangements. Chautauqua is an Embraer operator, which was an additional cost advantage because none of the other Delta Connection carriers are certified for this equipment. By buying ASMs from Chautauqua it enhanses Delta's ability to place service capacity in a low-yield market at a lower cost and without a large capital investment.
I'm not sure you Connection guys have access to the Delta Net, all of this is available in it.
Departures (within :05): Skywest 86.8%; AAEagle 86.0%; ACA 78.4%; Comair 72.7%; ASA 61.0%; Goal 74.8%.
Arrivals (within :15): Skywest 92.5%; AAEagle 88.5%; ACA 83.4%; Comair 79.8%; ASA 69.7%; Goal 82.9%.
Completion Rate: AAEagle 98.9%; Comair 98.7%; Skywest 98.5%; ASA 97.1%; ACA 95.4%; Goal 96.9%.
I wish you guys would back up your arguements with some facts instead of me having to go find it myself. It makes for much better reading.
An8tor:
What problems is Chautauqua having getting the MCO base started? State some facts. RP (Chautauqua code) is scheduled to start flying Dec 1, with 3 roundtrips each to MCO and TPA from CMH. From what I understand they already have a maint hanger in CMH and they have secured a maint. facility in MCO thats already adequate for the expected 22 confirmed aircraft.
Hellas:
You are quite correct that in the audit of Chautauqua it scored the highest in safety of any Delta Connection, including the wholly-owned carriers. They have a very impressive operation, we just hope they can produce the same results here that they have at other carriers. RP can expect to see some of the 30 options confirmed aprox. 6 months after the start if they produce favorable results and the economy doesn't completely tank. They should be commended on the improved on time/completion results in STL over the previous carrier. Especially of late; the last numbers I saw were above 99% completion and 93%+ arrival in STL; thats impressive.
Afellowaviator:
You might want to spread the word up in CVG, Delta will take the company that provides a quality product at the cheapest rate. In fact Chautauqua was 2% lower than ACA. In addition the 37 seat Embraer has lower operating cost than the 40 seat Canadair. The 40 and 50 seat CRJ have the same operational cost structure with the exception of the manufacturer leasing arrangements. Chautauqua is an Embraer operator, which was an additional cost advantage because none of the other Delta Connection carriers are certified for this equipment. By buying ASMs from Chautauqua it enhanses Delta's ability to place service capacity in a low-yield market at a lower cost and without a large capital investment.
I'm not sure you Connection guys have access to the Delta Net, all of this is available in it.
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sideshow said:
And what "UNION GUY" said that there will be a bump and flush at this point at ACA? You know as well as I do that this has not been spoken of since by the company nor you union reps since early this year.
After 9-11 the company DID propose AS AN OPTION ONLY the possibility of furloughs as UAL management forcast a "large flying reduction with possible scope limitations". Our MEC only spoke about the possibility of a flush as to prepare the pilots for the worst. Well, here we are one year later and the worst has not happened.
As for the continued hiring...ACA will take delivery, on average, of one new CRJ every ten days beginning in March 2003. Combined with the retirement of the J41's it will entail the hiring of no more than 150 new pilots.
This is where ACA is now on fleet and hiring projections.
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Right On!
Sir, you are correct about the sacrifices of the union pilots and their "leaching" cohorts at other companies getting a smidgen of the rewards. It's OK though. How long will it be until Skywest has a change of even one senior manager or board member? He might well decide that Jonathan Ornstein is their hero, just like wall street loved Frank Lorenzo! Then we will see where they stand.
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AFELLOWAVIATOR said:
Sir, you are correct about the sacrifices of the union pilots and their "leaching" cohorts at other companies getting a smidgen of the rewards. It's OK though. How long will it be until Skywest has a change of even one senior manager or board member? He might well decide that Jonathan Ornstein is their hero, just like wall street loved Frank Lorenzo! Then we will see where they stand.
Blue Skies Comair Dude!
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"It takes a big man to cry. It takes a bigger man to laugh at that man".
You must be kidding
"Airlines like skywest are what we refer to as "leaches" in the industry.
They reap the rewards for our sacrifices."
Exactly who is we? I am an ALPA member and I don't remember getting any union communication to tell US what to think about Skywest. As far as I and alot of people are concerned more power to Skywest and their management and pilot group if they choose not to unionize. I know it may be hard for you to wrap your brain around but there are actually alot of people that are not in a union. That's awfully kind of you to still allow those leaches to ride in your jumpseat. I'm not sure the what the pecking order is, leaches or ACA+1% people.
"Airlines like skywest are what we refer to as "leaches" in the industry.
They reap the rewards for our sacrifices."
Exactly who is we? I am an ALPA member and I don't remember getting any union communication to tell US what to think about Skywest. As far as I and alot of people are concerned more power to Skywest and their management and pilot group if they choose not to unionize. I know it may be hard for you to wrap your brain around but there are actually alot of people that are not in a union. That's awfully kind of you to still allow those leaches to ride in your jumpseat. I'm not sure the what the pecking order is, leaches or ACA+1% people.
Um, Cappy, you must been polishing your ALPA pin and missed him bashing ACA for folding after 10 months and getting a bad contract and not raising the bar and yada yada yada. I think he's right, we do have a crappy contract. But then again so does everyone else. But it's better than what there was, at least that's what they keep telling everyone...
I think you should check the "Facts" that Flying Dawg posted. I believe ACA did better than Comair for on time arrivals & departures.
Leaches eh? Whatever.
Don't worry about the jumpseat. With all the new cities SkyWest is going into in the southeast, I'll use ours. Appreciate the offer though
To Flying Dawg,
Do you happen to know which Delta Connection carriers use ACARS and which ones do not? I know ACA does, I believe someone said SkyWest does on its United side only, and I do not know about the rest. Congrats to Chautaqua on getting MCO - wish we would've won it (much easier commute, especially now that AirTran is charging $25 to non-rev) but that's the breaks.....
Do you happen to know which Delta Connection carriers use ACARS and which ones do not? I know ACA does, I believe someone said SkyWest does on its United side only, and I do not know about the rest. Congrats to Chautaqua on getting MCO - wish we would've won it (much easier commute, especially now that AirTran is charging $25 to non-rev) but that's the breaks.....
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Hunm?? fellowaviator I don't see you talking now. it seems to me that 2 out 3 is pretty clear that ACA is doing something right!
on a personal note:
Never talk the man next to you down.....you'll never know when you'll ever need a lending hand. being proud is a good thing, but being arrogant and telling the whole world about is unprofessional and distasteful. Grow up!
on a personal note:
Never talk the man next to you down.....you'll never know when you'll ever need a lending hand. being proud is a good thing, but being arrogant and telling the whole world about is unprofessional and distasteful. Grow up!
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sideshow said:
You are **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** right I polish my ALPA pin! I can tell you first hand how hard a union of pilots has to fight for everything they get! I find it quite amusing that you have no trouble criticizing your union reps on a public web site, yet hold no contemt for those (read Skywest) that will NEVER have the power nor desire to "raise the bar" as you say.
I don't have a problem with anyone criticizing our contract, which consists of MUCH more in gains than just hourly rates, by the way. I'm sure you must have MANY great ways and plans to improve ACA's contract. So why don't you, yes YOU, run for IAD LEC Captain or First Officer Rep (whatever you are) since the nominations are now shelved until October?
Remember sideshow "a union is only as strong or weak as it's membership participates".
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them".
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>>As far as having any thing against the ACA pilots, well, most all Comair pilots will never forget the ACA+I% CRAP we had to fight while we were on strike.
You people folded after just 10 months of negotiations while we were fighting for our lives to get a great contract for 3 plus years. ACA pilots did nothing to raise the bar, and as far as I am concerned, are a bunch of sell outs. <<
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AFELLOWAVIATOR,
As an ACA pilot, I couldn't care less what you think of ACA or its pilots. I would ask you to remember, however, that while you were going through all that "CRAP" during the strike, it was, in part, all of us "sell-outs" who were writing you checks while you were on the street. We were also some of the same guys walking the picket lines with you. I would never expect you to say "thanks" but just think about that the next time you feel the need to spout off about ACA.
I have nothing but respect for your fellow Comair pilots. I am confident that your opinions are not reflected in the rest of the pilot group.
-Blueridge
You people folded after just 10 months of negotiations while we were fighting for our lives to get a great contract for 3 plus years. ACA pilots did nothing to raise the bar, and as far as I am concerned, are a bunch of sell outs. <<
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AFELLOWAVIATOR,
As an ACA pilot, I couldn't care less what you think of ACA or its pilots. I would ask you to remember, however, that while you were going through all that "CRAP" during the strike, it was, in part, all of us "sell-outs" who were writing you checks while you were on the street. We were also some of the same guys walking the picket lines with you. I would never expect you to say "thanks" but just think about that the next time you feel the need to spout off about ACA.
I have nothing but respect for your fellow Comair pilots. I am confident that your opinions are not reflected in the rest of the pilot group.
-Blueridge
Blah, blah, blah....can't we all just get along.
I have to chime in wrt to ACA operational performance. Continually we're compared to Comair, Skywest, ASA who operate different AC types and different locations. The Dornier 328 has been a maintenace PIG. Our maint. is practically re wriiting the manuals for it with liitle support from Germany (Insolvent). Now the CRJ is vacuum tubes compared to the 328 and is more reliable - how was it in the early 90's for Comair as launch customer - bet you got a lot of support from Bombardier...
Operating in the Eastern corridor is no freakin' picnic either. How can you lump ACA DCI's BOS and LGA on time performance against that of Comair CVG and Skywest SLC etc. There's no comparison, sooner or later Lagarbage is going to drag your numbers down. CVG is a well oiled machine. I'd like to see ACA's CVG specific ops numbers cause I bet there not too bad.
I have to chime in wrt to ACA operational performance. Continually we're compared to Comair, Skywest, ASA who operate different AC types and different locations. The Dornier 328 has been a maintenace PIG. Our maint. is practically re wriiting the manuals for it with liitle support from Germany (Insolvent). Now the CRJ is vacuum tubes compared to the 328 and is more reliable - how was it in the early 90's for Comair as launch customer - bet you got a lot of support from Bombardier...
Operating in the Eastern corridor is no freakin' picnic either. How can you lump ACA DCI's BOS and LGA on time performance against that of Comair CVG and Skywest SLC etc. There's no comparison, sooner or later Lagarbage is going to drag your numbers down. CVG is a well oiled machine. I'd like to see ACA's CVG specific ops numbers cause I bet there not too bad.
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unbelievable...
I cant believe how some people bitch and bitch and yell and try to bring each others jobs down. Right now its just nice to have a job, and to hear all this complaining and bashing is unreal. Ive been in the airlines for just about 2 years now, and i know thats not that long, but i have always been so surprised how everyone wants to put each others job down. I think its the last thing we should worry about especially with the way things are. Trust me, it pisses me off too to hear people bashing on my job and the company i work for, but people like that have to be ignored, because it just brings everyone down, including myself...
Just my 2 cents...
I cant believe how some people bitch and bitch and yell and try to bring each others jobs down. Right now its just nice to have a job, and to hear all this complaining and bashing is unreal. Ive been in the airlines for just about 2 years now, and i know thats not that long, but i have always been so surprised how everyone wants to put each others job down. I think its the last thing we should worry about especially with the way things are. Trust me, it pisses me off too to hear people bashing on my job and the company i work for, but people like that have to be ignored, because it just brings everyone down, including myself...
Just my 2 cents...
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When it comes to people acting superior and bashing other airlines, do what I do and just ignore it. Crap like that just rolls off my back. I don't really care what anyone else thinks about ACA, just as long as I like it.
And I don't think there will ever be a time when anyone is completely satisfied with their job, either. You can always get more pay or better benefits, but why occupy all your free time worrying about it?
Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
(former) EOPilot
And I don't think there will ever be a time when anyone is completely satisfied with their job, either. You can always get more pay or better benefits, but why occupy all your free time worrying about it?
Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
(former) EOPilot
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Well, this thread is disappointing, to say the least. The industry is in a state of turmoil; with fellow pilots on the street everywhere we turn. If we can't even get along as professionals, how will this industry survive?
Let's face it, no airline is perfect. There are pros and cons to working at any company, but to sit here and publicly tear someone's employer down on the forum .... Well, that's downright unprofessional in my opinion. "AFELLOWAVIATOR" should learn to keep his negative commentary to himself. The last thing we all need right now is someone tearing this industry down even further with this type of dissention.
I worked at ACA for three years. They were always a professional organization, and treated us well. As far as selling out .... that's BS. The MEC negotiated the best way possible at the time in question. If you feel that ACA pilots wronged you in any way, just feel free to send your strike pay back. No personal checks please
Let's face it, no airline is perfect. There are pros and cons to working at any company, but to sit here and publicly tear someone's employer down on the forum .... Well, that's downright unprofessional in my opinion. "AFELLOWAVIATOR" should learn to keep his negative commentary to himself. The last thing we all need right now is someone tearing this industry down even further with this type of dissention.
I worked at ACA for three years. They were always a professional organization, and treated us well. As far as selling out .... that's BS. The MEC negotiated the best way possible at the time in question. If you feel that ACA pilots wronged you in any way, just feel free to send your strike pay back. No personal checks please
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AFELLOWAVIATOR
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WOW!
I seemed to of upset a lot of non union leaches and under performing pilots hear.
Some one posted ONE WEEKS perfornance numbers . So what. Lets look back six months as a whole and see who is in the basement. Geez!
Actually, at LGA, our performance has always been well above ACA"s.
There is a deep rooted feeling at Comair that ACA pilots sold out the industry with there pathetic 10 month bargaining. The damage is done, and now with the J4J crap unfolding at USSCARE, we have no hope of ever accomplishing what we set out to do, which was over time bring the Regional contracts up to par with mainlines.
ALPA Nat. , in endorsing the J4J crap, has said to mgt. that we were wrong and foolish to set goals so high.
When I heard ACA pilots buying off on the "pie" theory there mgt. gave them, we were in shock that they would fold so quickly.
You people never saw the big picture, and will go down in history as a pilot group who helped mgt. win the war of the "small jet"
I seemed to of upset a lot of non union leaches and under performing pilots hear.
Some one posted ONE WEEKS perfornance numbers . So what. Lets look back six months as a whole and see who is in the basement. Geez!
Actually, at LGA, our performance has always been well above ACA"s.
There is a deep rooted feeling at Comair that ACA pilots sold out the industry with there pathetic 10 month bargaining. The damage is done, and now with the J4J crap unfolding at USSCARE, we have no hope of ever accomplishing what we set out to do, which was over time bring the Regional contracts up to par with mainlines.
ALPA Nat. , in endorsing the J4J crap, has said to mgt. that we were wrong and foolish to set goals so high.
When I heard ACA pilots buying off on the "pie" theory there mgt. gave them, we were in shock that they would fold so quickly.
You people never saw the big picture, and will go down in history as a pilot group who helped mgt. win the war of the "small jet"
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AFELLOWAVIATOR said:
I'm not sure what language this was written in, but if you are referring to me as an under-performing, non-union leach, PM me and we'll discuss it one-on-one.
I can document plenty of years of paid ALPA dues, so get off you high horse. If "under-performing" is in reference to my current status, keep this in mind ... you and your superior company can be next. No one is above furlough. I do feel sorry for the poor sap that has to sit with you and your ego for an entire rotation.
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I have been with ACA for about 3months now. I know those who left and went to other airlines with bad blood. I am an ALPA member and I would never bash anyone for not being in an union calling them names. Now I will say I have names for those who cross the picket line.
If this guy is for real, I would like for him to met at his hub and discuss this problems in person, instead of behind a computer.
If this guy is for real, I would like for him to met at his hub and discuss this problems in person, instead of behind a computer.
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