ACA Class Cancelations

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There are likely to be more classes cancelled. If you look at the tentative agreement the United Pilots have you can see ACA will not be growing on the United side other than the 120 RJs we have on order for them, 154 total including the DOJets. So that would put the number of pilots needed around 1800 or so. We have close to that now....so unless there is some announment coming the hiring is going to drop off. I do not know what the earlier post was talking about with respect to senior guys being held out of training. But there is alot of confusion about the rolling bid process, vacancy bidding and such. Get here while you can because when the concrete sets it sets. Growth doesn't go on indefinitely.

 

[gatorguy]

ACA Pay

Hey boys,
What is the pay situation there at ACA?

 

[sideshow]

The situation is if you fly you get paid.

 

[H8U]

At least it isnt "you fly if you pay" like the nasties.

 

[captainv]

Nov. 22nd J-41 class canx

Got a call today from Dean (11/8) that the Nov. 22nd J-41 class has been canceled. I was told to call back next week or so and see what's going on.

At least they're giving more notice!

 

[SkywayFO]

Sideshow

What are you talking about there is room for a ton more growth. I've read ERP II and there will be more Jets about Double the current number in Round numbers. I think the number is 243.

 

[SkywayFO]

That is for the United system

 

[Gator Aviator]

ACA or UAX System?

What are you talking about there is room for a ton more growth. I've read ERP II and there will be more Jets about Double the current number in Round numbers. I think the number is 243.

Did the 243 number include Skywest and AirWis? ACA will end up with 121+- CRJs when the current order is filled. It would seem that Skywest and AirWis could easily make up this difference with their current fleet + firm orders.

Where does a person get a copy of the ERP II?

 

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SkywayFO

I assumed you answered your own question about the growth there. Currently 154 total airplanes when they all get delivered for ACA with 121 on the United side. With Skywest and Air Wisconsin that does not leave growth for the United side and it looks like the United pilots really want to get some hard limits for what they are giving up.

 

[SkywayFO]

I guess I'm not sure how restrictive 243 may be, I don't know how many RJ Skywest flies for United. Anyone have an Idea?

 

[JTrain]

Re: J41 class cancellation

If anyone saw the rolling bid issued on Nov 1st, you may have noticed two J41 CA classes originally scheduled for Nov 2002 were pushed back to Feb. Don't know why this was done - possibly because of a backlog in J41 IOE or sim tng.

Also - somebody else mentioned UAL wanted ACA to keep flying J41s. Not so. If you read the Hemispheres column in Aug by a UAL VP in charge of the Express division, he gloated on the fact ORD was now an all jet hub for UAL, and also that IAD was the next UAL hub going all jet, coincidentally by April 04, which is also the date ACA has been giving us all along for J41 retirements.

Rumor mill also has it several (up to 15) J41s have been sold/leased to Origin Pacific, in NZ. This may expedite J41 retirement and account for class cancellation.

To all those in the J41 pool: Don't stress too much. Yes, it sucks, just keep the faith. They'll try to squeeze you guys in soon. There are a lot of RJ vacancies in the upcoming rolling bid. C y'all soon

JTrain

 

[SkywayFO]

Thanks for the Skywest info. This is what I put together, with that and the Bombardier site on CRJ orders.

ACA 121
AirWis 58
Skywest 55
=234
So there is 9 Aircraft unaccounted for. It is anyones guess. What will happen. There is 20 more in 2005 or 2006 I forget when it jumps. So maybe there will be flying growth from higher utilization. I hope so cause it would make me feel better with more folk behind me. But it is anyone guess. The next few weeks will be interesting. Good Luck All

 

[BE58 Driver]

Well today I got the bad news from Dean Hess. I was scheduled in the Novemeber 18th DOJet class. He left me a message and said that I would go to the top of the pool for a class date in the future. Not really sure when. Well I am sorry to have bad news, but I have to go find a job. Patiently waiting!

 

[Sleepyhead]

Any news from the people that started class this week?

 

[Hosed COEX]

So far, only small DO328Jet and J41 classes are being cancelled. The current plan is to still run a CRJ class every week in 2003. There is another confirmed CRJ class starting on 11/25, so not all hope is lost. Some of the folks bumped out of the 11/11 class have been assigned to that one.

Hang in there - like SkywayFO said, we want you here as much as you want to be here.

 

[ACA Hopeful]

class dates

I spoke with Shawn Nicol today. No new interviews until March. 120-150 in the pool. He would not comment on upcoming CRJ classes.

ALPA is reporting no growth in RJ's for the remainder of 2002. The RJ cap expands again starting 2003 thru 2004 and includes all UAX carriers (ACA, AirWis, Skywest).

Let's hope things pick up again soon!

 

[hotwing]

classes full

This is true. No interviews -- I confirmed this today as well. All of their classed are full throughout March.

 

[g159av8tor]

Started class on 11/12. Including myself, there were 5 upgrades as well as 3 newhires. Two newhires were interns and the other gentleman was in a previous class and do to some paperwork screwups (on whose part I don't know) was taken out of class until the situation was rectumfied.

There is an instructor meeting today, so when I hear any good info (not rumor) on Monday, I'll post it.



Tailwinds...

 

[Rottweiller]

Thanks for the Skywest info. This is what I put together, with that and the Bombardier site on CRJ orders.

ACA 121
AirWis 58
Skywest 55
=234
So there is 9 Aircraft unaccounted for. It is anyones guess. What will happen. There is 20 more in 2005 or 2006 I forget when it jumps.

AirWis infact has firm orders for 75 RJ's with options on another 75. Plus they also took on 2 ex Midway ones above the 75 original figure. We get 2.5 a month next year (31 UAX) now.

 

[Kenny]

Here's what I heard yesterday.

1.) Maintainance guys had a meeting and were told they're going to be ordering 20 new doors for the 41's. No idea what sort of doors but the point was that we had sold 8 of the 41's.

2.) All classes for the rest of the year have been cancelled.

3.) United wants the 41's gone yesterday and come Jan we'll be getting rid of 2-3 a month.

Although I've only been here just over a month, I've already learnt not to believe what I hear until it happens.