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Hagar17 said:
As far as Eagle guys, save me the union brotherhood BS. Would you feel bad for the TWA bubbas you would leapfrog on the AA seniority list, one that you've never worked a day on? Do you feel bad about all the former AA routes AE flies, contributing to the further furlough of AA (and former TWA) pilots, thereby further delaying your own flowthrough to AA? You AE guys mystify me. You cheer when AE takes from AA, but you're too stupid to realize AMR just cut your throat.
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I would feel bad for the TWA guys who we leapfrog over, but I would be humble about it much the same way the TWA guys are about their positions here at Eagle. As for the former AA routes we have, you can take them back. Please. I am sure you have sat in the jumpseat of our ERJs. 3:00-3:30 flights aren't what the plane is made for. I enjoy flying here at Eagle, but would like to eventually progress to something with better pay, QOL, schedules, etc. I would either like to see the two companies grow together, or be completely separate. At least then the goals of the two would be clear.
 
Flyby1206 said:
I would feel bad for the TWA guys who we leapfrog over, but I would be humble about it much the same way the TWA guys are about their positions here at Eagle. As for the former AA routes we have, you can take them back. Please. I am sure you have sat in the jumpseat of our ERJs. 3:00-3:30 flights aren't what the plane is made for. I enjoy flying here at Eagle, but would like to eventually progress to something with better pay, QOL, schedules, etc. I would either like to see the two companies grow together, or be completely separate. At least then the goals of the two would be clear.
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Wow, an AE guy that gets it. They must hate you over there.

Good luck. I hope you get hired somewhere better and break away from AE.
 
BoeingBoy said:
Date of hire, true. But they furloughed out of seniority, so what's the point of getting DOH?
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The guys at OZ only had 9mo. with the company and were only furlough for less than a year. DOH rules dude! When AA furloughs back to 1988 then it will be "fair and equitable".
 
So you're saying that because the company started to grow and the economy improved, it was OK to furlough out of seniority? That makes no sense, your argument holds no water.
 
I don't think there'd be any complaints from the TWA folks if the OZ-TWA merger was used as the basis for the the TWA-aa integration.

I should proably clarify that statement... no complaints regarding the integration. I think the obvious complaints regarding aa and it's caliber of people would still be valid
 
How many of the OZ airplanes were parked following the merger?
 
pylut said:
I don't think there'd be any complaints from the TWA folks if the OZ-TWA merger was used as the basis for the the TWA-aa integration.

I should proably clarify that statement... no complaints regarding the integration. I think the obvious complaints regarding aa and it's caliber of people would still be valid
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So as long as the TWAers got DOH it would be OK with you if ALL of them got furloughed out of seniority? Wow, I think the ex-TWA guys still at AA would be unhappy about that.
 
How did they get furloughed out of senority? They got date of hire and then furloughed based on that date. I'd love my 1996 date of hire instead of my 2003 date of furlough.

I've heard this from so many AA'ers, apparently APA's spin machine worked.
 
Guys, Simma' Down Now!

Fact: TWA/OZ was DOH. However, the TWA MEC knew that a DOH integration was pretty much a staple job for 80% of the OZ pilots, since TWA had not hired since 1979 and the merger date was 1986. (OZ continued to hire during that time.) Therefore, what's the difference between having given them DOH or stapling 80% of their pilots? None. ALPA merger policy was not followed - it was a back door deal between the TWA MEC and Carl Icahn (sound familiar?) that never went to arbitration until the OZ guys sued over their furlough. In the end, the OZ boys got a pretty good deal out of it, since the widebody fence was only 7 years... in fact, the last TWA 747 flight was crewed by an OZ captain.

That said, a DOH integration between OZ/TWA and AA/TWA is a very different deal, and one that would have never happened, even with arbitration, given the size and financial differences of the two carriers. (Much the same way DOH won't happen for AWA/US.)

Ironically enough, the arbitrator/"integration specialist" that oversaw the the OZ/TWA deal was the same one that was used for the AA/TWA deal.

73
 
aa73 said:
Guys, Simma' Down Now!

Fact: TWA/OZ was DOH. However, the TWA MEC knew that a DOH integration was pretty much a staple job for 80% of the OZ pilots, since TWA had not hired since 1979 and the merger date was 1986. (OZ continued to hire during that time.) Therefore, what's the difference between having given them DOH or stapling 80% of their pilots? None. ALPA merger policy was not followed - it was a back door deal between the TWA MEC and Carl Icahn (sound familiar?) that never went to arbitration until the OZ guys sued over their furlough. In the end, the OZ boys got a pretty good deal out of it, since the widebody fence was only 7 years... in fact, the last TWA 747 flight was crewed by an OZ captain.

That said, a DOH integration between OZ/TWA and AA/TWA is a very different deal, and one that would have never happened, even with arbitration, given the size and financial differences of the two carriers. (Much the same way DOH won't happen for AWA/US.)

Ironically enough, the arbitrator/"integration specialist" that oversaw the the OZ/TWA deal was the same one that was used for the AA/TWA deal.

73
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Since when did we get arbitration.
 
That wide body fence was still in effect when we were bought by AA, it didn't end in 7 years (1993?). DOH and being stapled is a huge difference. DOH is what every pilot has to his name, the only thing. Being stapled shows true contempt for the stapled group. We got the hint: We are untermensch. We get it. Thank God some have options now that other carriers are hiring. I think the last 747 flight may have had a PFE, which would have been a TWA guy.
 
all i know is the TWA flowbies do a walkaround on my leg, rain or shine. for that i am truly happy! (its the simple things in life).
 
CitationLover said:
all i know is the TWA flowbies do a walkaround on my leg, rain or shine. for that i am truly happy! (its the simple things in life).
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Please don't generalize. I did not accept the flush back. Also, believe it or not, I did not staple the poor OZ pilots.
 

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