AAI Pilots-SWA Interviews

[Kharma Police]

I always wanted to work for a company with poor employee relations and a terrible contract! Better yet, I finally get to pay dues to ALPA after 5700 SWA pilots vote to oust SWAPA. Maybe I could be the first SWA pilot to actually quit and put an app into AAI! Sarcasm off...
Dolce

PHEW!!!!, you had me for a minute! Thanks for putting that sarcasm disclaimer at the end of your post, I almost thought you were really serious!

 

[Kharma Police]

I think the point isn't the names, of the people on the list.. The question that is being asked is this: How many pilots at SWA currently have, or have had apps in at AAI.. Answer.. probably 0.

How many AAI guys have had recent apps in at SWA? Who knows.. more than 0..

I think the point is, there is no point. You might as well gather statistics on race, gender or religion and try and hand that to the arbitrator too. I for one encourage you to do so, just let me know so I can bring the popcorn to watch his reaction.

 

[madjack]

KP,

The arbitrators (IF it goes to arbitration) will take a look at everything and quite possibly the SWA lawyers may be able to demonstrate that the SWA career was valued by AAI employees before the acquisition, will this help in any arbitrated SLI who knows???

Be excited about working for a great company, if everyone walks away a little pissed off (vs segments that are VERY pissed off) SWA may remain a great place to work...

 

[:-)]

I think the point isn't the names, of the people on the list.. The question that is being asked is this: How many pilots at SWA currently have, or have had apps in at AAI.. Answer.. probably 0.

How many AAI guys have had recent apps in at SWA? Who knows.. more than 0..

The logic works for me. This could be a very strong argument to place in front of an arbitrator when arguing career expectation.

No dog in fight, just liked your logic.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Possibly the dumbest thread on FI which I will begin ignoring.... starting.......now.

 

[Bill Nelson]

You can't quantify value of things that are not tangible like "career expectations." You can however show "value" by demonstrating which airline is considered more valuable among industry peers. A huge list of guys willing to jumpship at AirTran, leave seniority behind, and start over at the bottom will go along way in proving which group of Airline Pilots had a better "career expectation."

 

[S3sundowner]

Bill, it's a no-brainer. My opinion is that most of the aai pilots are reasonable, and that will be reflected (hopefully) by the aai mec reaching an agreement with snapa in the next 3 months. If I had a 100% pay raise on the table as an fo, or a $50/hr raise as a captain, I'd be kicking down the door to get it. I mean, c'mon, $5k/month minimum average raise?

 

[Beechdriver32]

Bill, it's a no-brainer. My opinion is that most of the aai pilots are reasonable, and that will be reflected (hopefully) by the aai mec reaching an agreement with snapa in the next 3 months. If I had a 100% pay raise on the table as an fo, or a $50/hr raise as a captain, I'd be kicking down the door to get it. I mean, c'mon, $5k/month minimum average raise?

Actually the raise is about $7000/ month. Total compensation.

But using your numbers, it's only a $60.000 average raise. ( $84,000 using my numbers)


And you still think you're getting screwed? Let those numbers sink in for a while.

 

[Ty Webb]

If I had a 100% pay raise on the table as an fo, or a $50/hr raise as a captain, I'd be kicking down the door to get it. I mean, c'mon, $5k/month minimum average raise?

The problem is that hourly pay rates change from contract to contract, Seniority does not.

SWA may be at the top, pay-wise right now, but that can change . . . .if it does, there is not an adjustment that can "give back" seniority that was given up when SWA was at the top of the pay scales.

 

[Bob Dylan]

The problem is that hourly pay rates change from contract to contract, Seniority does not.

SWA may be at the top, pay-wise right now, but that can change . . . .if it does, there is not an adjustment that can "give back" seniority that was given up when SWA was at the top of the pay scales.

Wow, great logic. Might as well throw it ALL away then and never combine the lists - which is what will probably happen if you can't come to an agreement.

 

[Ty Webb]

Wow, great logic. Might as well throw it ALL away then and never combine the lists - which is what will probably happen if you can't come to an agreement.

Bob,

You don't seem to have bothered to read any of the applicable law, or either unions' CBA, and you don't work for either carrier, so why the obsession with posting your uninformed nonsense on this subject?

Really, you remind me more of a Pilot-stalking Flight Attendant than a person with anything useful to add to the dialog.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Really, you remind me more of a Pilot-stalking Flight Attendant than a person with anything useful to add to the dialog.

Really, you remind me of a dickweed.

 

[Beechdriver32]

So Ty, you would rather have seniority at AAI then come over to SWA.

Can't blame you, senority is everything. Money is a distant second ot third right?

I wonder how many of your peers agree.

You paint a very scary picture of AAI pilots.

 

[Ty Webb]

So Ty, you would rather have seniority at AAI then come over to SWA.

What a stupid question. It depends on where I would end up at SWA.

Can't blame you, senority is everything. Money is a distant second ot third right?

Yes, seniority definitely trumps money. Seniority brings money, schedule and QOL. Money is a very distant second.

I wonder how many of your peers agree.

You paint a very scary picture of AAI pilots.

I kept my first wife, and I bought my house(s) at the right time, and we make plenty of money outside of aviation. The difference in money between SWA and AAI isn't going to change my life, but being back on reserve and/or being forced to commute 2 legs to get to OAK sure might.

I'm not painting pictures or speaking for my peers. I'm speaking for me. Who are you speaking for? What do you care? Sounds like money is the most important thing to you. Enjoy it.

 

[Beechdriver32]

Ty-

With your attitude, I hope you have the opportunity to keep your precious AAI seniority at your AAI pay rates for a very long time. I know that is the most important thing for you.

I'm sure your union brothers would agree, I know mine wouldn't mind very much at all.

Also hope you make it back to the line soon.

BD32

 

[Ty Webb]

Got an issue? Grab a tissue. :laugh:

 

[Bob Dylan]

The difference in money between SWA and AAI isn't going to change my life, but being back on reserve and/or being forced to commute 2 legs to get to OAK sure might.

I'm not painting pictures or speaking for my peers. I'm speaking for me.

Well this pretty much sums it up. For him, it's all about ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Unfortunately this industry has always had a small group of these types of guys. All about them and they are willing to cross any line to get what's best for themselves.

Good luck with this guy. I'm sure he's no fun to work with and now I can see why he NEEDS his left seat.

Yikes. Could his post clear this up any better about this dude?

 

[Beechdriver32]

wow, nice reply ty-

I care because I really, Really enjoy my occupation and the peers I fly with.

I am simply very afraid that with your attitude and I'm afraid others like it, you have the potential, like cancer, to destroy the very reason I chose to come to SWA over other opportunities that paid much more. It's not only about the money. How can I explain concepts like 'culture' to you?

This is why I care. And this is why I am worried. I am trying to stay optimistic but your attitude makes that difficult.

And I believe that I DO speak for my peers. I care about them, even my 24 new brothers. I guess you care about you, and only you.

Good luck Ty.

BD32

 

[Kharma Police]

wow, nice reply ty-

I care because I really, Really enjoy my occupation and the peers I fly with.

I am simply very afraid that with your attitude and I'm afraid others like it, you have the potential, like cancer, to destroy the very reason I chose to come to SWA over other opportunities that paid much more. It's not only about the money. How can I explain concepts like 'culture' to you?

This is why I care. And this is why I am worried. I am trying to stay optimistic but your attitude makes that difficult.

And I believe that I DO speak for my peers. I care about them, even my 24 new brothers. I guess you care about you, and only you.

Good luck Ty.

BD32

Don't worry, I can guarantee that although we have an abusive father, my AirTran family is truly a pleasure to work with. We work hard, are professional, and have fun. We take pride in our work and accomplishments even though we don't receive the same level of respect from MCO. I think you will be happy with your new stepbrothers and stepsisters.

 

[Ty Webb]

I just play defense, that's it.

If you feel an overpowering need to be obnoxious and start talking garbage about "stapling", or "what does AirTran really bring?" or "Those awful AirTran people will stink up our culture" or any one of a half-dozen other manufactured provocations, you will get a smack-down from me.

And then, sure as hell, you'll be back here, all frothy and gasping with self-righteous indignation about my "attitude", my "selfishness", or my "greed" and completely clueless as to who actually kicked over the ******************** bucket to start with.