AAI Pilots Beware!!

[Lonestar]

I here your MEC is planning to activate your Strategic Prep and Strike Committee in response to your company's complete disregard for your new contract(a contract you wouldn't even have minus this acquisition).

I know y'all have fought long and hard for your new contract. Without this acquisition, you would still be fighting.

This type of aggression is not the path to a career at SWA. GK and our mgmt are very protective of our culture and will protect it however necessary.

Your MEC is leading you down a path that will jeapodize your futures with SWA. Then again, with an MEC VC who has openly expressed his hatred for SWA, and an MEC Chair with such lofty goals within ALPA Ntl, maybe this is the idea.

Strike, a word y'all have used on numerous occassions, has never been spoken in our path to our industry-leading contract. Consider this fact as you characterize this acquisition as a merger of equals.

 

[Pilot Knob]

Nothing to see here...move along.

 

[Dan Roman]

I here your MEC is planning to activate your Strategic Prep and Strike Committee in response to your company's complete disregard for your new contract(a contract you wouldn't even have minus this acquisition).

I know y'all have fought long and hard for your new contract. Without this acquisition, you would still be fighting.

This type of aggression is not the path to a career at SWA. GK and our mgmt are very protective of our culture and will protect it however necessary.

Your MEC is leading you down a path that will jeapodize your futures with SWA. Then again, with an MEC VC who has openly expressed his hatred for SWA, and an MEC Chair with such lofty goals within ALPA Ntl, maybe this is the idea.

Strike, a word y'all have used on numerous occassions, has never been spoken in our path to our industry-leading contract. Consider this fact as you characterize this acquisition as a merger of equals.

Geez, even if it was true, you should be supporting them, not worrying about what "Gary" thinks. BTW, I do remember SWAPA talking strike back in the 90's I believe it was. Back than the SWAPA contract was further behind the industry standard than AirTran is now. Back than SWA was trying to establish itself with the help of pilots working more and paid way less than their peers (I believe a SWA Captain made about what a UAL 737 F/O made) as well as foregoing the type of retirement that most pilots in the industry enjoyed. It wasn't that long ago if you couldn't get an airline job, an option was to buy a 737 type and get on with SWA. You guys really shouldn't be so cocky. We all live in glass houses.

 

[scoreboardII]

Pay no attention, if the man isn't doing his side of the deal, teach the man a lesson.

 

[johnsonrod]

And he starts off the thread with "I here"........the guy is a genius.

 

[MCDU]

Geez, even if it was true, you should be supporting them, not worrying about what "Gary" thinks. BTW, I do remember SWAPA talking strike back in the 90's I believe it was. Back than the SWAPA contract was further behind the industry standard than AirTran is now. Back than SWA was trying to establish itself with the help of pilots working more and paid way less than their peers (I believe a SWA Captain made about what a UAL 737 F/O made) as well as foregoing the type of retirement that most pilots in the industry enjoyed. It wasn't that long ago if you couldn't get an airline job, an option was to buy a 737 type and get on with SWA. You guys really shouldn't be so cocky. We all live in glass houses.

Good post. That is spot on.

M

 

[slaquer5]

Geez, even if it was true, you should be supporting them, not worrying about what "Gary" thinks. BTW, I do remember SWAPA talking strike back in the 90's I believe it was. Back than the SWAPA contract was further behind the industry standard than AirTran is now. Back than SWA was trying to establish itself with the help of pilots working more and paid way less than their peers (I believe a SWA Captain made about what a UAL 737 F/O made) as well as foregoing the type of retirement that most pilots in the industry enjoyed. It wasn't that long ago if you couldn't get an airline job, an option was to buy a 737 type and get on with SWA. You guys really shouldn't be so cocky. We all live in glass houses.

SWAPA never talked about striking or even a strike vote on our 90s contract as you put it. Maybe some pilot giving you jump seat might have talked about it.

 

[Kharma Police]

I here your MEC is planning to activate your Strategic Prep and Strike Committee in response to your company's complete disregard for your new contract(a contract you wouldn't even have minus this acquisition).

I know y'all have fought long and hard for your new contract. Without this acquisition, you would still be fighting.

This type of aggression is not the path to a career at SWA. GK and our mgmt are very protective of our culture and will protect it however necessary.

Your MEC is leading you down a path that will jeapodize your futures with SWA. Then again, with an MEC VC who has openly expressed his hatred for SWA, and an MEC Chair with such lofty goals within ALPA Ntl, maybe this is the idea.

Strike, a word y'all have used on numerous occassions, has never been spoken in our path to our industry-leading contract. Consider this fact as you characterize this acquisition as a merger of equals.

Thank you for the advice, rest assured, we will take your wise consul from this reputable anonymous message board to the powers that be. Thank goodness for altruistic outsiders with only our best interests in mind like you watching over us.

 

[zman]

SWAPA never talked about striking or even a strike vote on our 90s contract as you put it. Maybe some pilot giving you jump seat might have talked about it.

Are you sure your a Southwest Airlines pilot?

 

[27 driver]

Lonestar,
Whereas you may be correct that this could have repercussions, we at AAI still must fight to force management to honor the agreement they just signed. You are fortunate that you don't have to fight these battles. If you don't stand up to the bully you will always be bullied.
If our MEC does anything that looks suspicious or doesn't pass the stink test in regards to this deal they will be recalled.

 

[slaquer5]

Are you sure your a Southwest Airlines pilot?

As little as I work the answer would have to be. NO



Makes me think back to when I worked at EAL. I lived at home ,was on reserve and hardly ever flew. My dad use to always ask if i even had a job. Thanks for bringing me down memory lane.

 

[DonVerita]

I here your MEC is planning to activate your Strategic Prep and Strike Committee in response to your company's complete disregard for your new contract(a contract you wouldn't even have minus this acquisition).

I know y'all have fought long and hard for your new contract. Without this acquisition, you would still be fighting.

Strike, a word y'all have used on numerous occassions, has never been spoken in our path to our industry-leading contract. Consider this fact as you characterize this acquisition as a merger of equals.

1. You're right about one thing - we wouldn't have this contract...we'd have a much better contract because we were all set to pull the trigger to go on strike and shut this place down for however long it took...until you and your "acquisition" (merger) came along. So thanks alot for screwing up our leverage with the NMB.

2. Your contract is only "industry leading" because so many of the other Majors were forced into bankruptcy-era draconian givebacks by the company hack bankruptcy courts. Not disparaging what you have; good on ya for getting what you did...but remember how it all came to be.

3. Supposedly the word, "Strike" has never been mentioned at SWA as you claim. Maybe yes, maybe no. Not important because our fight is not your fight. So don't come on here telling AAI pilots how to deal with our Lorenzo-style Management until you've walked a day in our shoes. Maybe then you'll have a new-found appreciation for what we defend against everyday and how we and our Strategic Preperation and Strike Committee are going to go to battle against these management megalomaniacs whose word, signature, reputation, and overall being, is repulsive and toxic.

 

[FlyinGuy]

1. You're right about one thing - we wouldn't have this contract...we'd have a much better contract because we were all set to pull the trigger to go on strike and shut this place down for however long it took...until you and your "acquisition" (merger) came along. So thanks alot for screwing up our leverage with the NMB.

What were you smoking when you wrote this paragraph????

 

[Ty Webb]

So don't come on here telling AAI pilots how to deal with our Lorenzo-style Management until you've walked a day in our shoes. Maybe then you'll have a new-found appreciation for what we defend against everyday and how we and our Strategic Preperation and Strike Committee are going to go to battle against these management megalomaniacs whose word, signature, reputation, and overall being, is repulsive and toxic.

Absolutely. It would be difficult for anyone at SWA who hasn't worked here to have any idea of what we are dealing with, and to presume to tell AirTran Pilots how to deal with AirTran management . . . . well, it takes a particularly presumptuous, bombastic jackass. Hee-Haw! Hee-Haw!

 

[Dash Power]

Absolutely. It would be difficult for anyone at SWA who hasn't worked here to have any idea of what we are dealing with, and to presume to tell AirTran Pilots how to deal with AirTran management . . . . well, it takes a particularly presumptuous, bombastic jackass. Hee-Haw! Hee-Haw!

We don't. And thank god, and Herb Kelleher.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

please go on strike so we can make this better and easy

 

[Dan Roman]

please go on strike so we can make this better and easy

In other words you are salivating over the opportunity to cross a picket line for your own personal gain.

 

[Ty Webb]

We don't. And thank god, and Herb Kelleher.

I would agree completely. AirTran's shortcoming has been a failure to build a positive corporate culture.

 

[bladeusa]

From someone who has been on strike...
Thanks Dan.
-and thanks to everyone who contributed during that time.

 

[Ty Webb]

In other words you are salivating over the opportunity to cross a picket line for your own personal gain.

It's pretty revealing, isn't it?

 

[Dan Roman]

From someone who has been on strike...
Thanks Dan.
-and thanks to everyone who contributed during that time.

No worries. I've been watching this food fight from the peanut gallery and decided I couldn't bite my tongue any longer. I don't care what airline you work for for, we all need to respect each other as fellow airline pilots rather than the inane concept that the paint job on the side of your airplane somehow makes you superior to someone else. I have nothing but respect for SWA and they have done a good job at the type of service they do. I've met plenty of SWA folks that are stand up people, just as much as any other airline. I really do appreciate their pro employee culture and respect the fact that their employees are supportative of the place that puts food on their table.
But..... listening to the SWA folks on here they are starting to sound a little over the top in the self centered department The concept that any of them would see AT having labor difficulties as an opportunity for them is pretty sad. SWA and AirTran are two similar LCC airlines, just like DAL and NWA were two similar legacies. Of course their are differences, but by and large I expect that's what an arbitrator would think and not be wearing SWA colored glasses when you merge.

 

[MCDU]

In other words you are salivating over the opportunity to cross a picket line for your own personal gain.[/QUOT

I know another pilot group that would do the same thing.

M

 

[orangebellyav8r]

Dan

I am having a ball stiring the pot. These guys are so easy to get their goat. I ain't had this much fun in a long time. TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. Watch how many will say something about that.

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan

I am having a ball stiring the pot. These guys are so easy to get their goat. I ain't had this much fun in a long time. TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. Watch how many will say something about that.

Fair enough even if I don't agree with you!. My take about these boards is you really can't judge anyone by their posts. If we all met in person it would be a whole different dynamic.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

Dan
No need to agree or not agree. I am having fun stiring the pot. There is nothing we can do with this SWA/AAI deal. All we do is drive the bus. So why not have fun with fools that think they have control on what is going to happen.

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan
No need to agree or not agree. I am having fun stiring the pot. There is nothing we can do with this SWA/AAI deal. All we do is drive the bus. So why not have fun with fools that think they have control on what is going to happen.

Well you are right, and has been made infinitely clear here, I'm on the outside looking in, but... it seems to me you are playing with the SWA culture here. Screw this up and the ramifications could be huge. Mergers fail more often than they succeed. Look at USAir. Piedmont and USAir were arguably stronger airlines than SWA/AirTran are now and USAir/AWA......well enough said.
This may go OK or it could be the beginning of your downfall.

 

[texman]

Dan
No need to agree or not agree. I am having fun stiring the pot. There is nothing we can do with this SWA/AAI deal. All we do is drive the bus. So why not have fun with fools that think they have control on what is going to happen.

This is what this form is supposed to be, fun and informational. Until people realize that they are a number they can't control, you will put ten years back on your life.

 

[SWA/FO]

its just trannytalk.... nothing to see here, move along. see you all at the trannyDraft 2011!! Can't wait!!!

 

[DonVerita]

its just trannytalk.... nothing to see here, move along. see you all at the trannyDraft 2011!! Can't wait!!!

If you are referring to the SLI...I can't wait either.

 

[Lonestar]

please go on strike so we can make this better and easy

The funny thing is that this group, despite their threats and votes, will not nor would have gone on strike. The MEC silenced the SPSC and continually delayed opening the strike ops center. Further, they were heading toward a timeline for release, cooling off, and strike, that would have surely resulted in a firm NO from the NMB.

Also, a group ready to shut an airline down does not do all the little things the AT pilots on this forum pride themselves in. Pilots who are ready to shut it down don't push early, don't fly anything that isn't 100% perfect, don't accept shortcuts, certainly don't single-engine taxi, etc. This is precisely why AT mgmt was so unconcerned with the strike vote.

Oh, one more thing. I think AT still has about 50 guys on line(and a training dept full) who have proven once already how they feel about striking.