AAI Pilots Beware!!

[Wesb737fo]

This board has officially gone Full Retard. The only thing I see is one guy making an outrageous statement and a handful of others falling for it.....really guys.....you don't have anything better to do. I visit this board because, on occasion (10 percent of the time) I might find something useful or amusing. Now 99.9 percent it's guys like orange belly. Of course I know that by typing this I have wasted 2 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Now I have to go, my kids are waking up.

 

[DonVerita]

Again...we have a non-AAI pilot (Lonestar) coming on here thinking he knows everything about the AAI situation past and present. Get real dude. You don't have a clue because you don't have boots on the ground here.

Having said that...don't come on here acting all high and mighty. We had a 98% strike vote. The guys here were, and still are, so fed up with this management that they were itching to go on strike and finally have the end all, be all of final battles. Think this place could last more than 2 weeks shut down? Not a chance. Everything was on track with the NMB for a release (and strike center about to open)...until this merger announcement on 9/27 came along which changed the whole dynamic.

One last thing...the count of scabs here remaining from the EAL days are approx. 20; not 50 like you stated. How many scabs are there at SWA?

 

[Lear70]

This board has officially gone Full Retard. The only thing I see is one guy making an outrageous statement and a handful of others falling for it.....really guys.....you don't have anything better to do. I visit this board because, on occasion (10 percent of the time) I might find something useful or amusing. Now 99.9 percent it's guys like orange belly. Of course I know that by typing this I have wasted 2 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Now I have to go, my kids are waking up.

+1

Now, a few fun FACTS, which I know are never popular on FlightInfo, but here they are:

1. We can't go on strike unless released by the NMB or a Federal Judge. We have no plans to ask for such a thing. We're not preparing for a strike. Or any OTHER illegal job action. Those of you who have never lived under a management group whose actions NECESSITATED a SPSC probably don't understand its full role. It's a committee, just like any other committee. ONE of its functions is preparing for a LEGAL strike. Many of the OTHER functions including organizing picketing, launching public awareness campaigns such as news releases, interviews, billboards, and other items which may impact stock price and/or ticket sales.

2. This kind of contract reinterpretation and outright violation won't go on for a year. On Date of Corporate Closing, Gary Kelly has been quoted publicly as saying "All decisions from Orlando STOP. Everything will go through Dallas. Period." I tend to believe that once GK and his management team have operational control, that the violations will stop and we can actually ENJOY the few real Quality of Life items that we obtained in the Scheduling Section until we are no longer under AirTran's CBA (guaranteed 125-150% premium pay for ALL trip pick ups inside 48 hours, actual USE of Call-First/Call-Last, actual implementation of the bucket systems, etc).

After talking with some union officials, it appears that the intent of activating the SPSC this time around is to put pressure on the company by threatening a negative publicity campaign, maybe starting off with a nice big article in the Dallas Morning News and going from there if things don't get back on track.

The other things the Association is doing to try to force compliance includes withdrawing the relief from building lines with 20 hours of rest minimum on West Coast trips that arrive after 2200 LOCAL time for February (we had given them TEMPORARY relief from this in January). Because of the way the flights are built to the West Coast, we basically just forced the company to build 30-35 hour layovers in all the West Coast pairings out of MCO and ATL for the entire month since the marketing schedule can't be changed. That's going to cost the company over $1 Million dollars. Just for February. For something that costs them about $50,000 that they are denying us.

There is no intent of a strike. Simply using the tools we have to legally attempt to bring management into compliance with our CBA since all attempts at settling this peacefully through discussions have failed. In other words, union officials tried to work peacefully with management for something that was VERY clear in its intent and, in the end, they simply said "No, grieve it."

We now return you to rumor and innuendo...

 

[Dash Power]

This board has officially gone Full Retard. The only thing I see is one guy making an outrageous statement and a handful of others falling for it.....really guys.....you don't have anything better to do. I visit this board because, on occasion (10 percent of the time) I might find something useful or amusing. Now 99.9 percent it's guys like orange belly. Of course I know that by typing this I have wasted 2 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Now I have to go, my kids are waking up.

Man isn't this the truth. Unfortunately I am one to fall for it. I am an honest, sincere person and look at these boards for useful information. But I largely find my self defending myself, or debating with the imbalanced. I have discovered that anyone with over a couple thousand posts are more than likely one of the imbalanced.

Thanks for the reality check.

 

[Ty Webb]

Man isn't this the truth. Unfortunately I am one to fall for it. I am an honest, sincere person and look at these boards for useful information. But I largely find my self defending myself, or debating with the imbalanced. I have discovered that anyone with over a couple thousand posts are more than likely one of the imbalanced.

Thanks for the reality check.

I have 4,000 + posts since 2001. That's about 1 post a day. I guess that makes me as "imbalanced" as anyone.

The definition of imbalanced is:

: lack of balance : the state of being out of equilibrium or out of proportion

I would say that many who joined Flightinfo in the last few months solely to vaunt their opinions on the SWA-AAI SLI may be unbalanced, which is defined as

a. Mentally deranged. b. Not exhibiting sound judgment; irrational.

:laugh::laugh:

 

[scoreboardII]

West Coast trips that arrive after 2200 LOCAL time for February

I think your going to find the swapa contract, swapa and the way SWA complies to be little different. Except, swapa doesn't have any time restriction nor fight if there is a problem.

 

[Ty Webb]

I think your going to find the swapa contract, swapa and the way SWA complies to be little different. Except, swapa doesn't have any time restriction nor fight if there is a problem.

You do have restrictions, that is why you don't have CDO's or redeyes.

You can bet that if your management simply built schedules next month with hundreds of redeyes and CDO's and told your pilots and your union "So what? Grieve it." you most certainly would fight it, and this example is only one of dozens of similar, deliberate violations since 12/1.

Our management is almost the exact opposite of yours. They are arguably one of the most anti-labor management team in place at any major airline, and if you haven't dealt with this 80's style of airline management, you should consider yourself very lucky.

What is really bizarre to me is that while you will probably never hear an AAI guy presume to offer an opinion about how you should deal with your management (witness the silence during the recent vote on -800) a few of you clowns think that you are somehow qualified to comment on our relations with our management.







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[Lear70]

I think your going to find the swapa contract, swapa and the way SWA complies to be little different. Except, swapa doesn't have any time restriction nor fight if there is a problem.

I certainly hope so...

Once the company saw what that limitation was going to do to operations and costs the first month they were building the pairings to be contractually-compliant for January (just a few days after the contract was signed), they asked for relief and the union IMMEDIATELY gave it to them, no argument, no "deals", just said "we understand, no problem", but did it on a monthly basis, knowing we might need it for leverage later. Unfortunately, that "later" has come a lot sooner than expected (we were hoping it wouldn't come AT ALL with the SWA DOCC and management takeover coming AWFULLY quick).

When the company plays nice, the union plays nice; it's a very simple premise of life, and I'm VERY thankful it works that way at SWA.

 

[SWA/FO]

a few of you clowns think that you are somehow qualified to comment on our relations with our management.

Point taken, however we have 200+ guys/gals that use to work there that left (for Southwest Airlines). Wonder why they left and didn't wait for the trannyDraft 2011?

Help is on the way.... hang on.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Man isn't this the truth. Unfortunately I am one to fall for it. I am an honest, sincere person and look at these boards for useful information. But I largely find my self defending myself, or debating with the imbalanced. I have discovered that anyone with over a couple thousand posts are more than likely one of the imbalanced.

Thanks for the reality check.

Well...I guess I've been one to fall for the bait as well. A couple of thousand posts......yeah....at that point maybe one should get a dog....maybe a cat...hamsters? Kidding...nothing wrong with that many posts......I don't ever see getting there....especially with kids...... since it appears my one year old has made an appointment with Mr. brown.....gotta go.

 

[DonVerita]

Point taken, however we have 200+ guys/gals that use to work there that left (for Southwest Airlines). Wonder why they left and didn't wait for the trannyDraft 2011?

200+ ? Highly doubtful.

Can you prove those numbers...or did you just make it up?

While you're at it, how about finding out how many SWA pilots left for other airlines in the 80's & 90's.

 

[Bill Nelson]

When the company plays nice, the union plays nice;

That argument goes both ways. It is often said that Management get the Unions they deserve but it is also true that Unions get the Management they deserve.

Your group has dealt with a great deal of adversity but at some point you have to question how much was brought on by your own group? I don't know the answer and I don't presume to know what you have gone through. Just an observation.

 

[Murphy]

I'm all for picketing until DOCC. Gin up the Strike Center. And why was picketing canceled in August?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I here your MEC is planning to activate your Strategic Prep and Strike Committee in response to your company's complete disregard for your new contract(a contract you wouldn't even have minus this acquisition).

I know y'all have fought long and hard for your new contract. Without this acquisition, you would still be fighting.

This type of aggression is not the path to a career at SWA. GK and our mgmt are very protective of our culture and will protect it however necessary.

Your MEC is leading you down a path that will jeapodize your futures with SWA. Then again, with an MEC VC who has openly expressed his hatred for SWA, and an MEC Chair with such lofty goals within ALPA Ntl, maybe this is the idea.

Strike, a word y'all have used on numerous occassions, has never been spoken in our path to our industry-leading contract. Consider this fact as you characterize this acquisition as a merger of equals.

Lonestar...why don't you STFU and quit worrying about what you cannot control. The AAI pilots have suffered under a management that is comprised of former US Air and Eastern Airlines ( frank lorenzo ) managers. None of those management teams ever got any awards for their way of doing business.

Maybe a look at that book they gave you in New Hire would be good to help you realize how the managers of the aforementioned airlines ruined not only the lives of employees, but of communities as well.

 

[RedDogC130]

200+ ? Highly doubtful.

Can you prove those numbers...or did you just make it up?

While you're at it, how about finding out how many SWA pilots left for other airlines in the 80's & 90's.

I think 200 is the min. I have heard a higher number. Don't think that it will not be used in an arbitration case along with how many have interviewed or had applications on file.

 

[Lonestar]

Lonestar...why don't you STFU and quit worrying about what you cannot control. The AAI pilots have suffered under a management that is comprised of former US Air and Eastern Airlines ( frank lorenzo ) managers.

Don't forget, the AAI pilots have also suffered as a group whose roots are from the same Eastern debacle...only they stabbed their fellow pilots in the back!

On another note, regardless of their oppressive mgmt the AAI pilots should see the big picture ahead. Our airlines will combine...if Gary sees it as necessary to accomplish our company's goals. If there are threats to those goals, Gary can keep the operations seperate forever.

In summary: Play nice= come to SWA!

 

[General Lee]

Don't forget, the AAI pilots have also suffered as a group whose roots are from the same Eastern debacle...only they stabbed their fellow pilots in the back!

On another note, regardless of their oppressive mgmt the AAI pilots should see the big picture ahead. Our airlines will combine...if Gary sees it as necessary to accomplish our company's goals. If there are threats to those goals, Gary can keep the operations seperate forever.

In summary: Play nice= come to SWA!

Play nice or give in to SWAPA's demands? Guess what? An arbitrator will decide WHAT IS FAIR. I guess you do not want anything that is determined FAIR from a NEUTRAL? You want what YOU think is fair. You are not the ones deciding if this merger will or will not occur, it is GK. He and Wall St want this to happen, and unlike your help with the F9 decision, this time you can't have a say. You will follow what an arbitrator dictates, and do it. IF you don't, then that famous culture WILL die. Merger SLI is never fun, but it happens. Embrace it now, or cry later. There will be a combo of AT and SWA guys at the BOTTOM of the eventual list.

And can you please provide a sound bite or some article stating that GK would keep the ops separate? You keep saying that like he is your Dad and telling you this. Give some proof please.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Muppets]

Don't forget, the AAI pilots have also suffered as a group whose roots are from the same Eastern debacle...only they stabbed their fellow pilots in the back!

On another note, regardless of their oppressive mgmt the AAI pilots should see the big picture ahead. Our airlines will combine...if Gary sees it as necessary to accomplish our company's goals. If there are threats to those goals, Gary can keep the operations seperate forever.

In summary: Play nice= come to SWA!

I have read your post 6 times and still dont know what the point is. something..something..EasternAirlines...something..something..company's goals...something..something..play nice.

 

[kwick]

I think 200 is the min. I have heard a higher number. Don't think that it will not be used in an arbitration case along with how many have interviewed or had applications on file.

I think over 300 SW pilots left for American, United and Delta over the years.

I'm sure the arbitrator will consider that number to the same extent!

 

[slaquer5]

I think over 300 SW pilots left for American, United and Delta over the years.

I'm sure the arbitrator will consider that number to the same extent!

Not even close.