AAEagle Future Expansion

[FlyinBrian]

Minime, you are spouting off about a subject tha you obviously know very little about.

The people in STL are FLIYING routes that have ALWAYS belonged to them!

This is almost true. I would replace the word "always" with the word "previously" TSA and CHQ had contracts with TWA. TWA does not exist anymore. According to Eagle's contract with AMR (a company that still exists), Feed flying for AA must be provided by Eagle. That's what we accepted a 16 year contract for. The limitation on our growth is caused by AA scope, and not by the Connection carriers. However, AMR's use of the connection carriers undermines AA's contract AND Eagle's contract simultaneously.

TSA and CHQ are enabling AMR to violate their agreements with the two airlines on their won property. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, my beef is not with the TSA and CHQ pilots. But they no longer have a right to the former TWE flying, especially when that flying is allowing AMR to piss on their own pilots.

 

[DruDown]

Quit Pointing Fingers

The last time I checked, I had not power over my company to determine what new flying the company took. All I can do is fly the work assigned to me or quit/get fired. Not one line pilot out there has a say in the routes we take on, that is a management decision.

In business, the end goal is to make money, so obviously, any company is going to find the cheapest way to operate. Smaller companies are going to find ways to keep their costs down so others will use them - the free market.

ALPA and any other union is set up to protect pilots from THEIR OWN company, and keeping THEIR OWN company in check, hence each company has THEIR OWN MEC. ALPA National only provides resources (finanacial, legal, etc.) to each individual MEC.

Placing blame on pilots for flying work assigned to them WITHOUT it being "STRIKE WORK" is obviuosly incorrect. Placing blame on a smaller regional campany for picking up work is inaccurate as well, being that the company is only responsible for its own pilots and employees, not the employees of any other company. As long as the smaller regional company does not violate the rules at its company, picking up more routes is what it is supposed to so, grow and expand - it is in the interest of its own employees - its called running a good business.

All of the anger and bashing and energy put forth placing blame, figner pointing, name calling, etc. would be better spent dealing with your own MEC and your own company, making sure that the rules and contracts at your company are not being violated. Any outside company should not be held back from growing - unless it decides to fly struck work. Remember, only when there is a strike is there a scab.

No pilot at any company should have to defend his company's decision to code share with any other company and fly for them, unless it is struck work. It is competition that has made this country what it is - not restriction. Without competition we would have nothing and no room to negotiate.

So many people are so concerned with what others are doing rather than looking closer to home to solve the problems. TSA and CHQ are not the problem at Eagle. AMR is the problem at Eagle. TSA and CHQ pilots are helping their company grow legally on their end. If AMR breaks the law at Eagle, how are the guys at TSA anf CHQ supposed to know that, it's not their problem - their own company is their main issue.

Don't blame ALPA, blame your own MEC. It is your own MEC who deals with your company.

 

[VMC]

WAY TO GO

Way to go FlyinBrian and Cleared Direct. Tell
it like it is.
There was always a grievence against Connection prior to 9/11. I do not know how many times we say this but Connection can not get it through their heads.

As Brian is saying....I too have nothing against the pilots of Connection. It is the whole contract not being honored.

Hey Brian....I see you and I are furloughed and working back in a cubical.
What class date did you end up with?
I was on the line when I was let go.

 

[FlyinBrian]

I was hired August 6th.

I had just passed my sim check, and was scheduled to start aircraft training. I was hanging out in Dallas waiting for the FAA to allow aircraft training when they sent us home because they didn't know when they were going to be able to resume training. They called me the following day and told me to come back to Dallas with all my stuff because they were going to want it back. I was really hoping I'd be back by now. C'est la vie!!

 

[VMC]

Brian....
Hired in June
Flew the Jet
Working in a cubical doing what I use to do before becoming an instructor.

If you hear of anything, let me know and I'll do the same.

 

[FlyinBrian]

I will let you know. It's a tough market. I'm thinking about going back to instructing. I can't afford it, but this cubicle is slowly killing me.

 

[ready2push]

On one hand you say that you don't blame Connection pilots, yet you make statements like:

"Many of the TSA (and CHQ) pilots either refuse or are unwilling to see the real issue at hand."

"Paying your bills is one thing, but do it without violating someone elses contractual rights."

You're certainly entitled to feel the way you do. You're even entitled to bash Connection pilots--it's a free country. If that's the way you feel, say it without hiding behind disclaimers like, "I certainly don't blame Connection pilots, but (insert Scab/and or struck work innuendo here)"

If you hate Connection pilots that much, grow a frickn' pair and say it--it's certainly clear that it's what you mean!!

 

[Macondo]

recalls

FlyinBrian and Vmc

April 16 class here.
Spoke to Claudette Carol yesterday and she says the letter is in the mail. Looks like almost all of my class is getting one, what with all of the passes from the classes ahead of us. Hang in there guys, looks like we're finally starting to see some movement. Good Luck.

 

[waka]

DruDown....I agree with most of your post, however, just a small point........;

Fortunately, we don't have a true "free market". For the very reason of unchecked profit motive, the notion of self-policing or self-regulation by companies is preposterous. Competition AS WELL as restriction has made this country what it is.

Rampant capitalism is JUST AS insidious to society as rampant socialism. As to where these ever elusive lines are drawn to strike a balance will forever be debated.

 

[MINIME]

Hey CAPT CRUNCH,

You sure as hell show lots of intellegence yourself. Make your friggin point, rebutel for or against what I stated but I don't appreciate your errogance of calling me names! I admitt that I may not have every single fact straight given the fact that I'm not experiencing this trauma personally. What I expressed were opinions based on conversations that I have had with friends on one side of the isle admittedly. However, I'm tired of watching some people branding the Connection guys( As if they really have any control over what AMR or their own management does) as the group that's taking AE' s jobs from them!

Enlighten me with your history because more than likely I was in grade school back then!