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AA1370 Tuesday Night...Wow

cjdriver

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Anybody else hear this guy freak out on the Denver Center controller who wouldn't let him turn when he wanted? Holy god, what a maniac. We all had to listen to his rantings for 10 minutes, including a threat to declare an emergency, subsequently declaring an emergency, then cancelling the emergency. I feel sorry for his crewmate. Any insight to this fiasco?
 

CitationLover

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Anybody else hear this guy freak out on the Denver Center controller who wouldn't let him turn when he wanted? Holy god, what a maniac. We all had to listen to his rantings for 10 minutes, including a threat to declare an emergency, subsequently declaring an emergency, then cancelling the emergency. I feel sorry for his crewmate. Any insight to this fiasco?

He wanted to be turned inside the marker in heavy imc to scrape the tail on the approach lights while using his cell phone to rat on his fellow pilots that he witnessed doing suspect things?
 

cjdriver

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We were all entertained, and a little embarrassed for him and his crew. I was glad when we got the freq change. Oh, snaps for the controller, way to stay cool.
 

Captjiggles

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There is an extra large tool bag I saw on sale at Sears thats perfect for him.
 

AA717driver

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Apparently, you haven't listened to the ramp freq. in DFW very much. :rolleyes:

TC
 

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Eh,

I don't get angry anymore, I just make the turn anyway, tell them I'm doing it for safety reasons, and if they need a report, let me know now.

Have never heard anything more about it from any controller.

It's amazing to me that guys like THIS are still out there. I thought the Capt Bligh thing died about 10-15 years ago with the heavy push for CRM and counseling for those who couldn't adapt.
 

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..you forget. We're talking about American here...remember ?


PHXFLYR
 

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WHEN #2 NOCKS AT YOUR DOOR....is a hole new game!!!!
 

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If this was thunderstorm related, I agree with what he did, just not how he handled it... his fuse is obviously pretty short and was set off. ( he shouldnt be flying if he cant remain calm )

If you EVER want to deviate for weather and ATC says " unable " .... calmly tell them something similar to : " we need to deviate XXX degrees for weather " ---- if its not approved calmly tell them you will delare an emergency and go around it ---- no need to get crazy and start screaming like this guy did.... but thats just one of many reasons these old farts need to be sippin lemonade in retirement and stop flying airplanes.

Simple tell ATC " unable present course/heading due to weather " ..... they have to make a plan that allows you to deviate .... if they like it or not.

This grouchy old fart had the right idea, however he just handled the situation wrong.
 
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Yep, tell ATC you are deviating and what your new heading will be. If ATC continues to be bothersome, declare an emergency and fly your desired heading. When you are clear of the weather, cancel the emergency. An emergency can be declared and canceled any time.
 

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is thias captured on liveatc orsomething... sounds cringe worthy
 
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So this is what really happened, got the info off the APA website.

There was a junior EMB-190 FO from Airways on the jumpseat, and they were all discussing the possible merger between the two companies. The USA guy asked about what was unique to American, and the American Captain said well, when you are dealing with the help, don't hold back get what you want, when you need it. Right about that time one of the senior mama stews tried to hand the captain his can of Ensure, but in the process managed to spill it over the Captain, and the pedestal. Right then the TWA FO woke up, and since he actually had his radar on, noticed the weather ahead, and told the Captain.

In a fit of rage over the spilled Ensure the Captain, not wanting to look like a fool, grabbed the hand mic, and started giving the Denver controller the business. By the time they were around the weather, the Captain was winded, and was ready for his nap. So he canceled his little emergency, and off to sleep he went.
 

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So this is what really happened, got the info off the APA website.

There was a junior EMB-190 FO from Airways on the jumpseat, and they were all discussing the possible merger between the two companies. The USA guy asked about what was unique to American, and the American Captain said well, when you are dealing with the help, don't hold back get what you want, when you need it. Right about that time one of the senior mama stews tried to hand the captain his can of Ensure, but in the process managed to spill it over the Captain, and the pedestal. Right then the TWA FO woke up, and since he actually had his radar on, noticed the weather ahead, and told the Captain.

In a fit of rage over the spilled Ensure the Captain, not wanting to look like a fool, grabbed the hand mic, and started giving the Denver controller the business. By the time they were around the weather, the Captain was winded, and was ready for his nap. So he canceled his little emergency, and off to sleep he went.

Brilliant!!!! You forgot the part where the USAir FO took the thunderstorm to binding arbitration, didn't like the outcome, so formed his own new little thunderstorm on final for the parallel runway. That might be why the AA captain couldn't accept a turn in any other direction.:D
 

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How about ATC doing it's friggin job! It's bad enough they can't move traffic on time on a cloudless day at your departure, enroute, and destination, but now they can't even approve a deviation for a cell without getting all nervous and jerky. Come on folks, you keep the blips from hitting! Simple as that. And with our modern day TA/RA systems, there is no way 2 aircraft will ever collide in this day and age. ATC needs to get it's act together and move the amount of traffic that needs to be moved, on time, every time!!! Has ATC received the memo that lets them know the industry is running about 15% less capacity than last year at this time?

Kudos to the AA Captain that let him have it!! If I were closer to retirement, I'd be the same way!!
 
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