AA/USAir non SLI?

[Bringupthebird]

Where in the TA between the pilots in the employ of America West and the pilots in the employ of USAirways, did you see that either side had veto power over a joint contract? Keep looking, it will keep you occupied.

 

[Turtle21]

"We had a seniority agreement contingent on each side voting it into effect, into existence."

The whole each side voting in a contract part of the transition agreement was gona when USAPA was voted in as our single union.

USAPA then inherited all of the contracts and responsibilities of representing all pilots EAST/WEST equally. Which they have failed at.

The final step required in the transition agreement was a final C.B.A.

The ninth circuit and Judge Silver both concluded that the West case was not ripe because there was still no single contract. There had to be some economic gain for one group against another in order for the case to be ripe. Now it is ripe. You will lose, it is a matter of time. Unfortunately, thanks to USAPA and its idiot founders and groupies, we all have lost A Lot of money.

The 9th and Silver both know what is necessary for it to be ripe. There is no contract. The MOU is a contingent MOU. That's why it says "contingent" on the top of it. These are the exact contingencies that the 9th knew were inevitable and unknown, thus making the complaint unfit for judicial intervention or decision.

We all agreed to a new seniority integration agreement/plan (listen to Crandall and you will get it) and we are as much as 2 years away from a completion to that.

You voted 98% for what is happening and you think a judge will give you something different? Rots of Ruck! Seriously, rots of ruck.

 

[Turtle21]

Where in the TA between the pilots in the employ of America West and the pilots in the employ of USAirways, did you see that either side had veto power over a joint contract? Keep looking, it will keep you occupied.

Contingencies still remain, and we all voted for them! If the POR is approved you won't have to bother reading the TA anymore.

 

[abefly]

The 9th and Silver both know what is necessary for it to be ripe. There is no contract. The MOU is a contingent MOU. That's why it says "contingent" on the top of it. These are the exact contingencies that the 9th knew were inevitable and unknown, thus making the complaint unfit for judicial intervention or decision.

We all agreed to a new seniority integration agreement/plan (listen to Crandall and you will get it) and we are as much as 2 years away from a completion to that.

You voted 98% for what is happening and you think a judge will give you something different? Rots of Ruck! Seriously, rots of ruck.

Those contingencies you speak of are a DFR that both the company and USAPA agreed too. Not the west pilots. The MOU is a whole contract for the EAST and WEST, even USapy said so.

You seem pretty sure of yourself. Can I ask have you read any court documents? Did you read the latest filings?

 

[abefly]

Contingencies still remain, and we all voted for them! If the POR is approved you won't have to bother reading the TA anymore.

The TA will go away. It is complete now that we have a single CBA. Here comes the NIC

 

[General Lee]

DAL/NWA learned their lessons from USAPA. Delta pilots don't have any more or less integrity than any other pilot group.

No, integrity is abiding by a signed upon agreement. DL/NW did just that. Just because you "go first", doesn't mean you deserve a re-do. That is ridiculous. In every industry? Anytime there is an arbitration hearing, the groups who go first get a free re-do if one side doesn't like the result? Pure comedy from you.

I look forward to third lister reaction when the NIC is upheld and Westies come East for their new, earned Capt positions.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

We all agreed to a new seniority integration agreement/plan (listen to Crandall and you will get it) and we are as much as 2 years away from a completion to that.

I understand that the east folks are always desperately looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear, but now Crandall is your hero? Third in line behind Lorenzo and USAPA, he's the worst thing to ever happen to the pilot profession.

With the MOU, you eliminated the final roadblock to implementing the NIC - a joint contract. Both east and west are earning the same pay contained in the MOU, only the payment is deferred until the Effective date.

Enjoy any vacancies that come up between now and the Effective date. After that (according to Kirby) there will be no east or west, so vacancies will be system wide. If it can be proven that USAPA knowingly denied pilots the vote that would have implemented the Nic earlier, then there will be substantial damages to go along with that upgrade.

And all this because Bradford and Cleary ginned up a believable boogeyman for the gullible east pilot group.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Saying it 50x doesn't make it true. Your new agreed upon "process" doesn't change a thing between East and West. It's ONLY applicable between USAPA and APA. I defy you to find a single reference to an East/West integration inte MOU. Look at the first paragraph where it spells out who the effective parties to the agreement are...see "West Pilots"? Nope.

Best of luck with the new delay campaign. You can't run forever though.

Ok, I'll give it a shot... The MOU States what the minimum block hours will be... It defines a very specific number for American (APA)... Does it also define a very specific number for US Airways? Or does it break it down into East and West flying?? Just curious...

 

[Turtle21]

I understand that the east folks are always desperately looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear, but now Crandall is your hero? Third in line behind Lorenzo and USAPA, he's the worst thing to ever happen to the pilot profession.

With the MOU, you eliminated the final roadblock to implementing the NIC - a joint contract. Both east and west are earning the same pay contained in the MOU, only the payment is deferred until the Effective date.

Enjoy any vacancies that come up between now and the Effective date. After that (according to Kirby) there will be no east or west, so vacancies will be system wide. If it can be proven that USAPA knowingly denied pilots the vote that would have implemented the Nic earlier, then there will be substantial damages to go along with that upgrade.

And all this because Bradford and Cleary ginned up a believable boogeyman for the gullible east pilot group.

You might not like Crandall but he told us what was going to happen. He said a "seniority integration agreement/plan" was absolutely necessary before he would support a merger. He did not say seniority integrated list. The MOU contains the new, signed, sealed, and delivered seniority integration agreement, contingent on the POR approval.

The MOU is a "Contingent MOU". Did you not read the title of the MOU that you voted to approve? Now where else have you heard that word "Contingent"? Oh, yeah, the 9th said it wasn't ripe because of contingencies... so you just voted to add an additional contingency (by 98%) on top of the ones the 9th was already aware of, and you think doing so makes it ripe?

15. US Airways agrees that it will comply with the East and West CBAs and the Transition Agreement until the Effective Date.

 

[Turtle21]

Ok, I'll give it a shot... The MOU States what the minimum block hours will be... It defines a very specific number for American (APA)... Does it also define a very specific number for US Airways? Or does it break it down into East and West flying?? Just curious...

Is that a rhetorical question?