AA to recall

[aa73]

You care. So do your colleagues. Otherwise they wouldn't be continually bashing Eagle and blaming its pilots for your problems such as the APA did in its scope presentation to the NMB: http://www.mediafire.com/?dtm4nuymwmn

Need your opinion on something. Scenario: Pilot from airline A attacks pilot from airline B. Pilot from airline B counter-attacks then the Communication Chairman of airline A's pilot union accuses the pilot from airline B of being a trouble-maker. This same Communication's representative never, ever disagrees with his own pilots no matter how ludicrous their statements or the veracity of their position. What do you think of a person who acts like that? Should they be trusted as being honest and unbiased or should it be understood they are simply another propaganda instrument of their union; Good cop/bad cop sort of thing?

Add: Pilot C (me)... does not really give a crap, because Pilot C (again, me) actually has a life outside of the airlines and these boards.

So, to answer your question, no, I don't really care about all the name calling, and I've never been one to bash AE pilots. If APA does, not my problem, and certainly not yours, either - but you choose to make it so.

 

[beagle pilot]

So, to answer your question, no, I don't really care about all the name calling, and I've never been one to bash AE pilots.

I hope not because your brethren are working overtime on it. I know you can't control them any more than I can some of my fellow pilots, but the difference is you'll see me go against them when they do. The hazard of being a moderate is being shot at from both sides. I accept this problem because I feel it is the right thing to do. I freely admit to making mistakes at times, but as you can see by the majority of my posts, especially those were the APA isn't concerned, I do my best to be moderate in my viewpoints.

Add: Pilot C (me)... does not really give a crap, because Pilot C (again, me) actually has a life outside of the airlines and these boards.

If you say so.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Of the 244 Flowups 60 are ineligible because of the TTC computation that Nicolidiot pulled out of his A$$ 10years.
As I read the award the decision to go or not must be made before May 24 and the "slots" can NOT be passed down.
After the 35 come over it will be a long wait before AA recalls and when they do there ARE over 800 senior to any AE flowup who can come before the 2/28 furloughs.

Any AE pilot that comes across will be on reserve for several years when CC and reinstatement rights are added to the bidding picture.

As all things associated with AMR it looks good on paper but the reality sucks.

I looked at the list and saw only a handful affected by the 10 year TTC because Nic said it started when they should have flowed. That would put it around 7-8 years TTC.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Like other airlines AA has a large number of retirements coming up. This will create a large amount of list movement and upgrades in the very near future. TTC could drop dramatically in a few years.

AA Retirements
4/11/2010 - 12/31/2010 0
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 136
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 197
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 258
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 248
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 283
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 356
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 456
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 545
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 605
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 658
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 705
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 720
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 734
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 707
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 588
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 497
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 472
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 410​

Thanks for the numbers Kazoo. I am more than intimately familiar with them after 20 years of sucking the seniority wind at AA which means only having USair East to look at to make oneself feel good.

As another poster said, it really comes down to Nicalidiot pulling a dingleberry off his arse and calling it TTC. Giving a decision any respect on the basis as to "when they should have flowed" is the greatest joke given this industry. What counts is todays chitty numbers, not some "what I should have held" B.S. Maybe Nicalidiot can get me 10 years of back earnings because I was told; 1. I will make Captain at "X" date, and 2. "You'll never get displaced from AA Captain."

At a minimum, TTC should be calculated yearly. As a side note, I can't figure out why any6one would here unless they were very young for their seniority. for a veeerrrryy long time they will be condemmed to chit seniority, no summer vacation, crap bidding and probably a change to a crappy base.

This argument almost seems like Grady arguing with Fred Sanford as to which car is better, the 20 year old rusty Lincoln or the 20 year old Caddy.

 

[macdu]

Out of those far right column retirement numbers how many are guys that are currently furloughed? If that includes the furloughs then those numbers are inflated in a way that makes it look as if there will be more openings than there really are. I am 49 and 200 numbers from the first recall notice, and, am not counting on ever making it back.
On another note with regards to the Eagle guys(ironically I am ex Eagle too) I think they would have to be insane to take the flow-up. I can't for the life of me, think of one good compelling reason to give up what they have as very senior, line holding captains who are making descent $$. God, what did I just type? But it's true. How times have changed. They better think long and hard about accepting because it will turn their lives upside down from what they are used to.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Thanks for the numbers Kazoo. I am more than intimately familiar with them after 20 years of sucking the seniority wind at AA which means only having USair East to look at to make oneself feel good.

As another poster said, it really comes down to Nicalidiot pulling a dingleberry off his arse and calling it TTC. Giving a decision any respect on the basis as to "when they should have flowed" is the greatest joke given this industry. What counts is todays chitty numbers, not some "what I should have held" B.S. Maybe Nicalidiot can get me 10 years of back earnings because I was told; 1. I will make Captain at "X" date, and 2. "You'll never get displaced from AA Captain."

At a minimum, TTC should be calculated yearly. As a side note, I can't figure out why any6one would here unless they were very young for their seniority. for a veeerrrryy long time they will be condemmed to chit seniority, no summer vacation, crap bidding and probably a change to a crappy base.

This argument almost seems like Grady arguing with Fred Sanford as to which car is better, the 20 year old rusty Lincoln or the 20 year old Caddy.

I thought AA doesn't use TTC anymore in hiring? Wasn't it Kudwa that dropped that towards the end of the last hiring at AA? The number is just plain old age descrimination since it cannot be accurate to guess when someone is going to make CA.

 

[Flightdawg]

Out of those far right column retirement numbers how many are guys that are currently furloughed?

The list is based entirely on age 65, not length of time with the airline. You'd have to look at your seniority list and sort it for age to figure out is any are furloughed. Are you furloughed now?

To give you an idea how difficult it is to predict retirements which determines TTC, here is another projection of AA age 65.

American Airlines pilots turning 65 in each year through 2025
Retire Year
Count
2012
4

2013
64

2014
98

2015
135

2016
134

2017
143

2018
183

2019
225

2020
281

2021
318

2022
358

2023
370

2024
361

2025
380

 

[Neubyfly]

I looked at the list and saw only a handful affected by the 10 year TTC because Nic said it started when they should have flowed. That would put it around 7-8 years TTC.

If the TTC starts when they should have flowed then the retirement age when they should have flowed should also apply. Wasn't mandatory retirement 60 back in June 2007?

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

If the TTC starts when they should have flowed then the retirement age when they should have flowed should also apply. Wasn't mandatory retirement 60 back in June 2007?

Good luck with that one. lol

 

[igneousy2]

I thought AA doesn't use TTC anymore in hiring? Wasn't it Kudwa that dropped that towards the end of the last hiring at AA? The number is just plain old age descrimination since it cannot be accurate to guess when someone is going to make CA.

AA has already won that one in court.