AA to recall

[AvroGuy]

Now isn't something like 800-900 pilots going on a 7 day a week golf vacation for the next 20 or so years, retirement, going to start happening next year? If this is true, AA will go throught the recalls in no time and then through the remaining FT in short order. That is assuming they don't start shrinking the airline by number of pilots and planes.

 

[beagle pilot]

Now isn't something like 800-900 pilots going on a 7 day a week golf vacation for the next 20 or so years, retirement, going to start happening next year? If this is true, AA will go throught the recalls in no time and then through the remaining FT in short order. That is assuming they don't start shrinking the airline by number of pilots and planes.

Possible, but not probable IMHO because I think they will shrink.

In short, my guesstimate is the last of the 527 FTs won't transfer to AA for 2-3 years. Then there will be a gap of a couple years before hiring to replace attrition takes place. This will be due to several factors:
1. Completion of the AA-APA contract negotiations.
2. The results of those negotiations; specifically scope relief, parking all their MD-80s while only replacing half of them and pilot work rule changes raising the cap on flight hours.

Due to these factors, I don't see the preferential/new hire classes beginning for at least five years and it will take another five years before the last of the 824 preferential class seats are used.

Of course, a strike/bankruptcy, a gas crisis, avian flu epidemic or any other calamity could change this time line.

 

[igneousy2]

Recall? Only furloughed pilots get to have the recall term applied to them. The AE pilots that will be coming to AA will be called something totally different and it won't be "recalled pilot".

Better study REAL hard guys! IF you make it through training many of the AA pilots you are jumping ahead of can't wait to fly with you!

It's amazing how attitudes change once the shoes on the other foot.

 

[beagle pilot]

It's amazing how attitudes change once the shoes on the other foot.

Agreed, but it also amazes me how misinformed many of them continue to be.

Sorry BMT, but no Eagle pilots are jumping ahead of anybody. It's called "Seniority Order" as anyone who read the arbitration should know.

You are correct however since it isn't a recall. It's a transfer as noted in the same document.

 

[NAA Pilot]

Do these AE guys really want to go to AA??
When they go they WILL be based in STL with a few lucky ones getting LGA or MIA. They will be locked in that base for a year and you can forget about getting DFW or ORD for years and years. There are hundreds of guys on property that have reinstatement rights that trump seniority in bidding back to these bases. In STL, due to supp CC. they will bid behind the TWA guys no matter what the AE guys AA seniority is so, if based in STL the AE guy will be on reserve until able to bid out (probably 2 years or more) and forget DFW and ORD (my guess is it will take 5-8 years). AA reserve makes AE reserve look like a vacation. ie. movable days off and NO flexibility. You HAVE to be in STL every day on reserve and the movable days off WILL be moved to make life horrible.
It takes a 7700 seniority to bid the most junior (really crappy) line on the 80 in LGA.
It takes a 7900 seniority to bid the most junior (really, really crappy) line on the 737 in MIA.
Oh and those thinking the minimum distribution for the A plan is $1500/month..... WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!! It's $1500/year! That is what most of these guys will get as it takes MANY MANY MANY years participating in the A plan to see any real $$$.
And it looks like TTC will be around 18 years.
I think I would rather stay at AE making $100/hr with a 80 hour senior captain line than $92 an hour with a 64 hour guarantee commuting to reserve in STL. You wont see $100/hr until year 8. But hey.... you'll have the A-plans $1500 per YEAR!!!! WOW!

 

[beagle pilot]

Do these AE guys really want to go to AA??

You are correct, why would anyone be that stupid? Who wants to be called an "Arrogant Asshat" or "Sky Nazi"? Who wants to be ridiculed for labeling themselves "The World's Greatest Pilots"? Really, you are right NAA Pilot. It's amazing.

I won't be going, but there are many at Eagle lined up to take my place. Most at too young to really worry about retirement and all that. They just like the idea of being in big shiny jet and telling all their friends they're AA pilots. You know, just like the ones there now.

You're sure to appreciate these jokes, NAA Pilot:

How do you tell there is an AA pilot at your party? Don't worry, he'll tell you!

What happens when an AA pilot takes Viagra? He grows taller.

What does an AA pilot use for birth control? His personality.

How many AA pilots does it take to change a light bulb? Just one. He holds it up and the world revolves around him.

Why do AA pilots like women with big boobs and tight snatches? Because they all have big mouths and little dicks.

 

[washout]

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[ultrarunner]

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Here's Washout's response ;-)

Not funny. Not nice. Not cool.

After reading crap like that, it amazes me that FI asks me "Are you sure you want to log off?"

Yeah, I'm sure.

But you must admit, NAA Pilot gives some pretty compelling reasons for a current AE pilot to stay put......

 

[beagle pilot]

But you must admit, NAA Pilot gives some pretty compelling reasons for a current AE pilot to stay put......

Using the same logic, it amazes me many AA pilots don't quit and go to work for McDonalds. I wonder how AA will expect to get new hires in a few years with such a sucky airline contract.

 

[igneousy2]

Has it ever been decided if the flow through guys have a choice? I haven't been up to date recently, but according to the original Flow-Through LOA, once you made your "Eagle Rights" or "Flow Through" choice...that was it you were either staying or going. Unfortunately for most of these guys it ended up being a 10 year + seat lock.