AA to recall

[jetjam619]

Eagle Rights can flow as well.......

 

[beagle pilot]

Correct. One thing left to play out is how the APA and AMR are going to handle time-to-captain. The APA wants to make it 20 years for obvious reasons; they hate Eagle. What the company does remains to be seen.

While the current TTC may indeed be up to 20 years, the forecast is that it will drop dramatically once the retirements start to kick in post-age 65. If the company chooses to readdress TTC, I smell another lawsuit and/or grievance regarding age discrimination. It should be fun to watch over the next few months.

 

[DGdaPilot]

TTC will be 10 years.

 

[Beefy Botham]

You are correct, why would anyone be that stupid? Who wants to be called an "Arrogant Asshat" or "Sky Nazi"? Who wants to be ridiculed for labeling themselves "The World's Greatest Pilots"? Really, you are right NAA Pilot. It's amazing.

I won't be going, but there are many at Eagle lined up to take my place. Most at too young to really worry about retirement and all that. They just like the idea of being in big shiny jet and telling all their friends they're AA pilots. You know, just like the ones there now.

You're sure to appreciate these jokes, NAA Pilot:

You've got it all figured out Jack. Yet for a Marine like yourself, how come you never made it to the Majors?

 

[AAflyer]

Using the same logic, it amazes me many AA pilots don't quit and go to work for McDonalds. I wonder how AA will expect to get new hires in a few years with such a sucky airline contract.

Man o man, and you got the nerve to lecture me on professionalism. You truly are in the 2% aren't you. 54 years of age, and that miserable in life, that judging of others. You are truly a sad sad person........

I don't have the dislike I had for you anymore, I feel sorry for you..

AA

 

[beagle pilot]

You've got it all figured out Jack. Yet for a Marine like yourself, how come you never made it to the Majors?

Like anything, timing! I'm currently happy where I am so I won't be taking the flow. Unlike some on this forum, I don't have to "make it to the Majors" to prove myself. Like President Reagan said:
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.”

So why are you so interested? What's your Beef?

 

[beagle pilot]

Man o man, and you got the nerve to lecture me on professionalism.

Your patronizing, typically-APAish tirade aside, which post was me lecturing you on professionalism?....or are you just using that as an excuse to vent? No problem. Feel free to vent your frustrations. I can take it.

 

[Beefy Botham]

Like anything, timing! I'm currently happy where I am so I won't be taking the flow. Unlike some on this forum, I don't have to "make it to the Majors" to prove myself. Like President Reagan said:
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.”

So why are you so interested? What's your Beef?

No beef here Jack. Oh yeah, the "timing" reason. Gotcha!

 

[beagle pilot]

No beef here Jack. Oh yeah, the "timing" reason. Gotcha!

Gotcha! Do you feel like a success, more manly and all, now that you are on a 747? Good for you. I'm truly happy for you.

 

[AAflyer]

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My Saturday just got better!!!!

AA

 

[Beefy Botham]

Gotcha! Do you feel like a success, more manly and all, now that you are on a 747? Good for you. I'm truly happy for you.

Thanks, I've never been happier.

 

[beagle pilot]

Grrrrrrreat! I'm proud of you.

 

[beagle pilot]

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My Saturday just got better!!!!

AA

Do you talk to yourself often?

 

[C-150ETOPS]

TTC will be 10 years.

Try 15+ years. Anything lower is B.S. for anyone past the 3rd flow-up.


That bunch will be 3500 slots from upgrades. With the fleet remaining at a somewhat status quo, that's at least 15 years for the top 10 Flow-Ups. Productivity gives are inevitible. Productivity gains from a narrow body fleet of 737's will all hurt the TTC, more so if the B737-900 replaces the B757.

IMHO, 17 years TTC would be generous. I don't know if that number is set each year. that would be more realistic than the 10 years tossed around here.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Try 15+ years. Anything lower is B.S. for anyone past the 3rd flow-up.


That bunch will be 3500 slots from upgrades. With the fleet remaining at a somewhat status quo, that's at least 15 years for the top 10 Flow-Ups. Productivity gives are inevitible. Productivity gains from a narrow body fleet of 737's will all hurt the TTC, more so if the B737-900 replaces the B757.

IMHO, 17 years TTC would be generous. I don't know if that number is set each year. that would be more realistic than the 10 years tossed around here.

Doesn't matter what you think. Nicolau was queried and he stated two days ago that the last used calculation of 10 years will be applied to this grievance remedy. BTW, many of the 244 have 10 years bidding seniority.

 

[Flightdawg]

IMHO, 17 years TTC would be generous. I don't know if that number is set each year. that would be more realistic than the 10 years tossed around here.

Like other airlines AA has a large number of retirements coming up. This will create a large amount of list movement and upgrades in the very near future. TTC could drop dramatically in a few years.

AA Retirements
4/11/2010 - 12/31/2010 0
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 136
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 197
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 258
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 248
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 283
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 356
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 456
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 545
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 605
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 658
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 705
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 720
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 734
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 707
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 588
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 497
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 472
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 410
​

 

[aa73]

Beagle Pilot, just like on APC you sit here and use your standard anti APA line anytime someone gets the better of you, as if that's the only defense you have. Truthfully, all I've seen from you always centers on attacks on the APA, as if you have to prove to yourself that you are in your situation today because of APA. And you really go out of your way... kind of like someone in a crowd who talks really loud, then looks around to see if anyone is hearing them. Honestly, man, nobody cares. You are where you are, you are happy... let it be. So are many of us. Move on, man, move on... life is short.

 

[beagle pilot]

Honestly, man, nobody cares.

You care. So do your colleagues. Otherwise they wouldn't be continually bashing Eagle and blaming its pilots for your problems such as the APA did in its scope presentation to the NMB: http://www.mediafire.com/?dtm4nuymwmn

Need your opinion on something. Scenario: Pilot from airline A attacks pilot from airline B. Pilot from airline B counter-attacks then the Communication Chairman of airline A's pilot union accuses the pilot from airline B of being a trouble-maker. This same Communication's representative never, ever disagrees with his own pilots no matter how ludicrous their statements or the veracity of their position. What do you think of a person who acts like that? Should they be trusted as being honest and unbiased or should it be understood they are simply another propaganda instrument of their union; Good cop/bad cop sort of thing?

 

[Vne]

Of the 244 Flowups 60 are ineligible because of the TTC computation that Nicolidiot pulled out of his A$$ 10years.
As I read the award the decision to go or not must be made before May 24 and the "slots" can NOT be passed down.
After the 35 come over it will be a long wait before AA recalls and when they do there ARE over 800 senior to any AE flowup who can come before the 2/28 furloughs.

Any AE pilot that comes across will be on reserve for several years when CC and reinstatement rights are added to the bidding picture.

As all things associated with AMR it looks good on paper but the reality sucks.

 

[Wingman10]

I wonder what the over/under will be for the 244 that have to make the decision by 24 May?