AA Super 80 vs LUV...Double standard?

[helavapilot]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...09/01/AR2009090103632.html?hpid=moreheadlines

 

[crj567]

Well, of course they gave SWA more time.... The 737 is not a steaming pile of burned monkey poo!

 

[Full of LUV]

what...

Well, of course they gave SWA more time.... The 737 is not a steaming pile of burned monkey poo!

Crj, they were referring to AA, not DAL, or would they be a rotten stinking steaming pile of burned monkey poo????

 

[Cometman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...09/01/AR2009090103632.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Here is another one that either did not get hired or cannot get an interview. Instead of bashing SWA why don't you sit down and go over your resume. Really go over it and see where you can improve yourself. You will be suprised what you can do.

 

[vetrider]

Here is another one that either did not get hired or cannot get an interview. Instead of bashing SWA why don't you sit down and go over your resume. Really go over it and see where you can improve yourself. You will be suprised what you can do.

Boy, you sound just like a United pilot of about a 10 or 15 years ago. Of course, anyone that dare say anything not fawning about SWA just couldn't get an interview. Yep, that's it allright. Unless you can get by the Soutwest interview, your commentary is just sour grapes and not worthy.

 

[Cometman]

Boy, you sound just like a United pilot of about a 10 or 15 years ago. Of course, anyone that dare say anything not fawning about SWA just couldn't get an interview. Yep, that's it allright. Unless you can get by the Soutwest interview, your commentary is just sour grapes and not worthy.

Everybody that is rejected by an airline will bash that airline. Instead of bashing the airline everytime something negative pops up in the news whether it is UA, SWA, or Delta just look in the mirror and see what you can do to improve yourself. Put your energy toward that instead of bashing. It really makes you look like a jerk when you go after the airline. No body is perfect there is always room for improvement.

 

[PreContact]

I posted a similar comment in a different thread, the double standard (grounding vs fine). Not a Southwest wannabee, nor ever tried, just pointing out an observation.

 

[Cometman]

I posted a similar comment in a different thread, the double standard (grounding vs fine). Not a Southwest wannabee, nor ever tried, just pointing out an observation.

I think if you research the 2 cases you will see that they are different. Do you really think the government would allow SWA to fly 30-50 aircraft if they were unsafe? And then ground another airline for the same type of problems? Do you really think that SWA buys pizza to get get out of issues? If you do then you have other issues you need to take care of.

The other thing to think about is: I believe SWA contracted for parts from an FAA approved vender. The vendor then sub contracted that out. So, although SWA is still responsible there are other FAA companies that were at fault. The FAA is liable here also. If they did their job then they would have caught the mistake. That is why we have Quality Control. If something gets by me then hopefully the next check will find the problem.

 

[MILF Hunter]

American grounded their own jets, not the FAA.

 

[Bookingsareup]

Here is another one that either did not get hired or cannot get an interview. Instead of bashing SWA why don't you sit down and go over your resume. Really go over it and see where you can improve yourself. You will be suprised what you can do.

Not everyone wants to work for SWA. To point out a perceived favoritism is simply an opinion. You don't even work for SWA yet, you continually race to protect them from anything you feel might hurt their feelings. What's your story?

 

[Cometman]

Not everyone wants to work for SWA. To point out a perceived favoritism is simply an opinion. You don't even work for SWA yet, you continually race to protect them from anything you feel might hurt their feelings. What's your story?

I never will work for SWA or any other airline. I always stand up for the under dog. Right now SWA is the under dog because they are bashing them over this little problem. Does any body really think they should be grounded? Just think if the FAA grounded all aircraft that had a minor problem. So, my story is I will defend you if they start bashing you.

 

[rajflyboy]

Here is another one that either did not get hired or cannot get an interview. Instead of bashing SWA why don't you sit down and go over your resume. Really go over it and see where you can improve yourself. You will be suprised what you can do.

Dude

Some people don't want to spend 6 or 8 G to BUY their job and then get based in KBWI !

When you going to figure that out??

 

[RedDogC130]

Dude

Some people don't want to spend 6 or 8 G to BUY their job and then get based in KBWI !

When you going to figure that out??

You make ZERO sense....most people (excluding mil people for their Comm.) paid $$ for their Commercial and ATP and all the other stuff associated with being allowed to fly an airplane. Every airline requires you to have an ATP or Comm. license...right? SO you had to PAY for that training to be eligible for the job....SWA just adds 1 more thing you need to have to be eligible....either way you still paid for your training whether you are at Netjets or SWA.....am I missing something?

 

[Cometman]

Dude

Some people don't want to spend 6 or 8 G to BUY their job and then get based in KBWI !

When you going to figure that out??

I guess the post from Reddog answers your question, Dude.

 

[rajflyboy]

You make ZERO sense....most people (excluding mil people for their Comm.) paid $$ for their Commercial and ATP and all the other stuff associated with being allowed to fly an airplane. Every airline requires you to have an ATP or Comm. license...right? SO you had to PAY for that training to be eligible for the job....SWA just adds 1 more thing you need to have to be eligible....either way you still paid for your training whether you are at Netjets or SWA.....am I missing something?

Wrong

Everyone has to have private, instrument, commercial and ATP ratings. Those are basics required for this job.

No one just goes out and buys a 737 Type rating. The only reason you are buying it is for a job with SWA. I can't think of any other reason to buy this. Others companies pay for your type (The way it should be).

Thank you very much!

 

[RedDogC130]

You still make no sense.... I will say that at other airlines your 1st year pay is so low that you are "paying" for your training with the company pay you less the 1st year....SWA on the other had has a very good 1st year rate...so pick your battle pay 6K upfront or pay it over 1 year at a low wage at another airline.

SWA - $52
AirTran - $43
Alaska - $46
CO - $31
DAL - $52
UA - $33
Jetblue - $40

taken from airline pilot central

 

[rajflyboy]

You still make no sense.... I will say that at other airlines your 1st year pay is so low that you are "paying" for your training with the company pay you less the 1st year....SWA on the other had has a very good 1st year rate...so pick your battle pay 6K upfront or pay it over 1 year at a low wage at another airline.

SWA - $52
AirTran - $43
Alaska - $46
CO - $31
DAL - $52
UA - $33
Jetblue - $40

taken from airline pilot central

Well spoken for someone that had the taxpayer pay his way and probably got hired at SWA with 1500 hours!!

 

[vetrider]

Everybody that is rejected by an airline will bash that airline. Instead of bashing the airline everytime something negative pops up in the news whether it is UA, SWA, or Delta just look in the mirror and see what you can do to improve yourself. Put your energy toward that instead of bashing. It really makes you look like a jerk when you go after the airline. No body is perfect there is always room for improvement.

Not everyone, but I do agree, most times those that do make themselves look a little foolish. I see your point. But then again, the couldn't pass the interview line looks a little the same in that regard, only perhaps more pompous than foolish.

 

[vetrider]

Southwest is a fine airline, but I have never filled out an application. I don't see any big deal about the 737 type issue.

 

[MILF Hunter]

American grounded their own jets, not the FAA.

Great post milf hunter, way to stay on topic

you guys are a bunch of ****************************** bags

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Wrong

Everyone has to have private, instrument, commercial and ATP ratings. Those are basics required for this job.

No one just goes out and buys a 737 Type rating. The only reason you are buying it is for a job with SWA. I can't think of any other reason to buy this. Others companies pay for your type (The way it should be).

Thank you very much!

Unless you are hired as a Captain, the ATP is not a requirement. You could argue that they should give you the type and ATP.

The type requirement at SWA does not save the company anything with regards to one's initial training. It does add some flexibility during upgrade, in that a DE is not required.

The type requirement served SWA very well in it required a level of commitment and belief in the SWA busuness model to make that investment. Even though not all in a typical new hire class had to pay with cash out of their own pocket, enough did to establish a culture in each new hire class that has now been replaced with posters and handing out the book "Nuts." Now the type is not required until one is ib line for a class date.

I would not be suprised if the type requirement returned prior to the interview.

 

[RedDogC130]

Well spoken for someone that had the taxpayer pay his way and probably got hired at SWA with 1500 hours!!

Well, you just made yourself look like the a$$ here. Guess you will never know my background but you are so off it is sick....but you know what happens when you assume...oh wait you do now.

 

[80drvr]

American grounded their own jets, not the FAA.

Not entirely true. The FAA began grounding jets more or less randomly creating operational chaos. AA decided they couldn't operate that way and took the entire fleet down for inspection.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You make ZERO sense....most people (excluding mil people for their Comm.) paid $$ for their Commercial and ATP and all the other stuff associated with being allowed to fly an airplane. Every airline requires you to have an ATP or Comm. license...right? SO you had to PAY for that training to be eligible for the job....SWA just adds 1 more thing you need to have to be eligible....either way you still paid for your training whether you are at Netjets or SWA.....am I missing something?

Yes, a clue!
PFT is PFT.

 

[Whataburger]

Dude

Some people don't want to spend 6 or 8 G to BUY their job and then get based in KBWI !

Good!! Because KBWI is getting really senior. I have a buddy that has been here over a year and cant get KBWI.imp:

 

[RedDogC130]

Yes, a clue!
PFT is PFT.

That is my point....everything is pay for training....I do not see why some have a problem with it. Nobody is twisting your arm to go get a type you do it if you want to...if you don't you don't.

 

[Whataburger]

You still make no sense.... I will say that at other airlines your 1st year pay is so low that you are "paying" for your training with the company pay you less the 1st year....SWA on the other had has a very good 1st year rate...so pick your battle pay 6K upfront or pay it over 1 year at a low wage at another airline.

SWA - $52
AirTran - $43
Alaska - $46
CO - $31
DAL - $52
UA - $33
Jetblue - $40

taken from airline pilot central

Hotel rooms paid for by the company and benefits from day one was a very nice gesture from the company.

 

[Bluejob]

Personally, I wouldn't walk across the concourse to fly a B737 after flying the MD80.

The 80 is so sleek and streamlined, while the 737 taxi's out wobbling from side to side with that stupid trim wheel rubbing your knees. Manual reversion isn't complicated on the MD80. The 737 is barely maneuverable and almost non air-worthy when there's a hydraulic problem.

The MD80 is symbolically phallic, and is a work of art on takeoff when silouetted against an evening sky.

The 737...well...there's just too much FLUF.

The B727 however,....

 

[Tejas-Jet]

For the record, I fly for SWA....having said that...I believe that the grounding of the AA MD-80's last year was pure BULL-Shaat !!!

The FAA had just been publicly spanked, and they had to show some muscle. To ground AA's MD-80's over a clamp that was supposed to be 1" apart instead of the 1-1/4 apart was nothing more than showing off.

The FAA should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

No one just goes out and buys a 737 Type rating. The only reason you are buying it is for a job with SWA. I can't think of any other reason to buy this.

There is no requirement to buy a 737 type rating to apply or to be hired at SWA.

The only requirement is that one have a 737 type rating.

I am one of many who did not buy a 737 type rating, and still got hired.