AA Super 80 vs LUV...Double standard?

[Chest Rockwell]

Wrong

Everyone has to have private, instrument, commercial and ATP ratings. Those are basics required for this job.

No one just goes out and buys a 737 Type rating. The only reason you are buying it is for a job with SWA. I can't think of any other reason to buy this. Others companies pay for your type (The way it should be).

Thank you very much!

Unless you are hired as a Captain, the ATP is not a requirement. You could argue that they should give you the type and ATP.

The type requirement at SWA does not save the company anything with regards to one's initial training. It does add some flexibility during upgrade, in that a DE is not required.

The type requirement served SWA very well in it required a level of commitment and belief in the SWA busuness model to make that investment. Even though not all in a typical new hire class had to pay with cash out of their own pocket, enough did to establish a culture in each new hire class that has now been replaced with posters and handing out the book "Nuts." Now the type is not required until one is ib line for a class date.

I would not be suprised if the type requirement returned prior to the interview.

 

[RedDogC130]

Well spoken for someone that had the taxpayer pay his way and probably got hired at SWA with 1500 hours!!

Well, you just made yourself look like the a$$ here. Guess you will never know my background but you are so off it is sick....but you know what happens when you assume...oh wait you do now.

 

[80drvr]

American grounded their own jets, not the FAA.

Not entirely true. The FAA began grounding jets more or less randomly creating operational chaos. AA decided they couldn't operate that way and took the entire fleet down for inspection.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You make ZERO sense....most people (excluding mil people for their Comm.) paid $$ for their Commercial and ATP and all the other stuff associated with being allowed to fly an airplane. Every airline requires you to have an ATP or Comm. license...right? SO you had to PAY for that training to be eligible for the job....SWA just adds 1 more thing you need to have to be eligible....either way you still paid for your training whether you are at Netjets or SWA.....am I missing something?

Yes, a clue!
PFT is PFT.

 

[Whataburger]

Dude

Some people don't want to spend 6 or 8 G to BUY their job and then get based in KBWI !

Good!! Because KBWI is getting really senior. I have a buddy that has been here over a year and cant get KBWI.imp:

 

[RedDogC130]

Yes, a clue!
PFT is PFT.

That is my point....everything is pay for training....I do not see why some have a problem with it. Nobody is twisting your arm to go get a type you do it if you want to...if you don't you don't.

 

[Whataburger]

You still make no sense.... I will say that at other airlines your 1st year pay is so low that you are "paying" for your training with the company pay you less the 1st year....SWA on the other had has a very good 1st year rate...so pick your battle pay 6K upfront or pay it over 1 year at a low wage at another airline.

SWA - $52
AirTran - $43
Alaska - $46
CO - $31
DAL - $52
UA - $33
Jetblue - $40

taken from airline pilot central

Hotel rooms paid for by the company and benefits from day one was a very nice gesture from the company.

 

[Bluejob]

Personally, I wouldn't walk across the concourse to fly a B737 after flying the MD80.

The 80 is so sleek and streamlined, while the 737 taxi's out wobbling from side to side with that stupid trim wheel rubbing your knees. Manual reversion isn't complicated on the MD80. The 737 is barely maneuverable and almost non air-worthy when there's a hydraulic problem.

The MD80 is symbolically phallic, and is a work of art on takeoff when silouetted against an evening sky.

The 737...well...there's just too much FLUF.

The B727 however,....

 

[Tejas-Jet]

For the record, I fly for SWA....having said that...I believe that the grounding of the AA MD-80's last year was pure BULL-Shaat !!!

The FAA had just been publicly spanked, and they had to show some muscle. To ground AA's MD-80's over a clamp that was supposed to be 1" apart instead of the 1-1/4 apart was nothing more than showing off.

The FAA should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

No one just goes out and buys a 737 Type rating. The only reason you are buying it is for a job with SWA. I can't think of any other reason to buy this.

There is no requirement to buy a 737 type rating to apply or to be hired at SWA.

The only requirement is that one have a 737 type rating.

I am one of many who did not buy a 737 type rating, and still got hired.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

The type requirement at SWA does not save the company anything with regards to one's initial training.

actually i think it does. since we come to class with a type the training schedule is more of an accelerated refresher if you will. i don't remember for sure but i think training was about 6 weeks. i thought i heard that training at AA (and i'm only using them because that's where the last person hired at a major went, that i knew personally, can recall) was something like 3 months. same thing with capt upgrade.

and maybe a swa capt can chime in, how long is capt upgrade? i would think it would be quicker than if someone came in without a type already. just guessing on that one.

 

[Quimby]

Personally, I wouldn't walk across the concourse to fly a B737 after flying the MD80.

The 80 is so sleek and streamlined, while the 737 taxi's out wobbling from side to side with that stupid trim wheel rubbing your knees. Manual reversion isn't complicated on the MD80. The 737 is barely maneuverable and almost non air-worthy when there's a hydraulic problem.

The MD80 is symbolically phallic, and is a work of art on takeoff when silouetted against an evening sky.

The 737...well...there's just too much FLUF.

The B727 however,....

Are you serious? The MD-80?

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[PreContact]

737 type rating doesn't equal getting hired at SW. Personally, I think it's just a way for SW to generate more revenue (per their partnership with Hire Power). Most folks go there for their type ratings.

 

[njcapt]

Are you serious? The MD-80?

Whatever floats your boat.

Heh, heh. Yeah, I guess opinions really ARE like a$$holes. I have just under 1000 PIC in the MD-80 and if somebody held a gun to my head and insisted that I say something positive about it, I'd have to admit it was QUIET up front. Unfortunately, that came a result of almost zero air conditioning in the aquarium.

 

[rajflyboy]

There is no requirement to buy a 737 type rating to apply or to be hired at SWA.

The only requirement is that one have a 737 type rating.

I am one of many who did not buy a 737 type rating, and still got hired.

I understand this. And that would be the best way to get into SWA. Have someone else pay for the type!

I mean heck >> I think you guys only hire about 1 out of 5 you interview. Thats a lot of waisted money for 80% of the people who don't make the cut.

 

[rajflyboy]

737 type rating doesn't equal getting hired at SW. Personally, I think it's just a way for SW to generate more revenue (per their partnership with Hire Power). Most folks go there for their type ratings.

Thumbs Up ! Could be some truth to this!

 

[rajflyboy]

AMR Doesn't require that a person has a Type Rating?

Now why is that???

 

[HDA]

I never will work for SWA or any other airline. I always stand up for the under dog. Right now SWA is the under dog because they are bashing them over this little problem. Does any body really think they should be grounded? Just think if the FAA grounded all aircraft that had a minor problem. So, my story is I will defend you if they start bashing you.

Yeah right. Go back and look at some of your rediculous posts on the SWA-F9 fiasco. You are a douch. Or maybe you felt that SWA was the underdog in the whole deal?

 

[helavapilot]

So,
1) we all agree that there IS a double standard.
2) You can only love SWA if you work there or if you want to work there and have not been dinged?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

737 type rating doesn't equal getting hired at SW. Personally, I think it's just a way for SW to generate more revenue (per their partnership with Hire Power).

I can assure you that there is no revenue gained from any perceived "partnership" with Higher Power. Higher Power has asked SWA to show up at some of their functions. SWA has accepted the invitation. That is the extent of the "partnership".

BTW...SWA people also go and speak at other type rating schools.