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AA MD80 lands short in DEN? / AA MD-80 undershoots DIA rwy 35L

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FlyingToIST said:
DIA is what locals refer to it as in Denver International Airport. It was also used as an interim code when Stapleton was about to close and DEN was about to open.

Denver International's ICAO code is KDEN, and IATA is DEN. Period. :)
Ack, people do that here too. It's KSNA/SNA, for Santa Ana (where it's located) but the local TV channels and the newspapers persist in calling it JWA (John Wayne Airport.) There IS nothing named JWA as far as I know...

Such is :rolleyes:

Stephanie
 
Yah the media has called Denver Intl DIA way before it ever opened, its a slang term us locals use. I dont of anyone who calls it DEN or KDEN around here........
 
TWA Dude said:
Had that A300 been a 767 with a more normal rudder pedal sensitivity even the FO's inputs (assuming that's what they were) wouldn't have likely ripped the tail off. No doubt that'll all be big when the trials come.
In that I am in complete agreement.
 
At 50 to 75 feet agl, the first officer "dipped below the glide slope."

Ah, what am I missing here??? The Threashold Crossing Height on most ILS's is about 50 feet, which means that at 50' on GS, you're over the threashold and past ALL the approach lights. That's why while Cat II RA decision heights may vary a little from 100' or 150' (i.e. on GS at 150' above the TDZ you're actually a foot or three higher or lower above the ground directly beneath you), the Cat IIIA RA is always set at exactly 50', since you're over the paved surface.

Even at 75' AGL you'd have to push over WAY, WAY hard to go from on-GS to an overrun touchdown.

Might one wonder if the below-GS status commenced somewhat sooner than "50 to 75 feet"?

Hard IFR, there are some excellent reasons to be stabilized at 1000', even if those with the "right stuff" can usually get away with less.
 
"Ack, people do that here too. It's KSNA/SNA, for Santa Ana (where it's located) but the local TV channels and the newspapers persist in calling it JWA (John Wayne Airport.) There IS nothing named JWA as far as I know"

http://www.ocair.com/
 
They do the same thing in Orlando. It drives me nuts when they call it OIA. There is no such beast it is MCO.
 
Well I agree with someone who said it earlier in this thread. Another hour of ground school vidoes for all of us in the next year. Point is: we as a group are still letting our pride get the best of us. I'm just as guilty as anyone else and try my best to hold myself to the standards.

I've taken a very black and white approach to these stabilized approach criteria. Either you're stabilized at 500 AGL (VMC) or 1000 AGL (IMC) or you're not. We all know what the criteria are at those decision points and what course of action is to be taken if we're not. If you're stabilized great, continue on. If not then go around. I also make it a point to let the person I'm flying with know that as we're approaching that decsion point, if they're not stabilized at that time, then we're gonna have to take it around. Gives them a little heads up to know what might be about to happen. I also expect them to hold me to that same standard. Kinda like a VDP. You either see it or you don't. No maybes or almost.

Again I'll be the first to admit that my compliance is not 100%. I'm human after all. I have to try my best to hold myself and my FO to that standard.

But another thing that I'd like to add is the whole ATC issue. Seriously this sh!t has got to stop. Poor vectors in low IFR are unacceptable period. I know, I know try telling the guys in the ORD or NYC tracons that one. They'll laugh you right off to the alternate. But ALPA, NATCA and other groups need to step up and put an end to this. We as pilots need to do our part. Ever notice these days that when someone goes around, before the tower even hands you back off to the approach controller, they want to know why you went around. Seems to me like someone is keeping track of the numbers of go arounds related to ATC vs. pilot issues. So I know that data is out there. Problem is that by swallowing our tounges and accepting poor vectors or late turn-ons, sure we're helping them, we're helping the customers, but we're just setting up a false sense of how bad things really are.

I guess there are too many issues to even address. Where do you start. For example. 27L into ORD. That FAF is only like 4 miles or so from the MAP. ATC wants you to hold 170 to 180 till that FAF and then per your company's CFM or FOM be stablized by 1000 AGL. Not sure about others but in my particular aircraft it's damm near impossible to do.

So where do we even start ???
 
TC

Didn't a NWA DC-9 just skid off the runway in Lansing.They also took off out of DTW years back without slats or flaps. I guess I will never fly on NWA. I almost forgot, they landed at the wrong airport about a year back. Yikes?

USairways took off with rudder trim set full left the and went into flushing bay in LGA, guess I can't fly on them.

Come to think of it CAL, and DAL also landed airports other than the one intended, not even going into the other incidents and accidents at those two companies.

You are right TC, maybe it safer just not to fly on US carriers, how about we talk to Bush and allow cabotage, then we can safely fly the skies on China air from ORD to LAX.

Send me your schedule, I am hoping you and I can log some dual, and you can teach me how to fly:rolleyes: .

Thanks
AA
 
Someday, when I am real good, I will list every single engine aircraft I have possibly flown under my aircraft experience like our boy AAFlyer!!!
 
JJGMADDOG said:
Someday, when I am real good, I will list every single engine aircraft I have possibly flown under my aircraft experience like our boy AAFlyer!!!
Actually it isn't all of them, but I notice you don't have one? Must have started out as a TWA pilot!! I guess you are way too GOOD to list any of those little bitty airplanes. Only BIG ONES, You MUST BE REALLY GOOD!!

Actually I changed my mind!! Can I please get some dual from YOU!!! Please !!!!

Remember that when AA started hiring in 98 we hired only the WORST pilots from
SWA
TWA
AWA
ATA
Fed-Ex
Airborne
Comair
ACA
Air Wisconsin
Jet Express
Eagle
Mesaba
and the list goes on!!!

How about I get some pilots from all those companies, we can meet and you can teach us all at once!!!!!

Thanks again. Please PM me when you have a place and time set up.
AA:rolleyes:
 
AAflyer--Yep. Nothing wrong at AA. Sorry to bother you. Just keep on doing what you've been doing. Everything is fine.

As for the list of people from all those carriers that went to work for AA in '98--If I go out and hire a really good looking whore, it doesn't mean I'm some kind of stud. It just means I paid a her lot of money.

On the subject of JJG or I giving you dual--With your attitude, I think it's apparent I couldn't teach you anything... You already know it all.TC
 
You got that right TC!!

AAflyer you are a perfect fit for the Nordstrom pilots of the industry....consistently ignorant and arrogant! See ya around skippy!!!
 

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