AA Future Plans/Hiring

[TO/GA]

I was at the APA offices today, and I asked them that question. They stated that ALL AA pilots will be recalled before any Eagle flow throughs are offered a class at AA. This DID include the 100 or so pilots that were still in training when the furloughs were announced. The Eagle flow throughs will not be offered classes until AA begins to hire again.

 

[bayoubandit]

Thanks for the info! You have any idea how many Eagle types there are senior to the most junior AA guy to go over?

 

[BacktoAA]

This ask and answer may help. It also confirms that the Eagle flow-throughs won't show up until all furloughees are recalled.

Furlough and Recall Numbers

Q: Please help me make sense of the pieces of information which I have been able to obtain regarding furlough and recall numbers. Based on the information I have seen, at present, there are 594 AA pilots and 310 TWA pilots on furlough. The announced recall of 208 AA pilots on 5/1/02, which I understand will align the current furloughs with the integrated single seniority list, means that there will be 386 AA pilots still on furlough. Yet on the published single seniority list, there appear to be 486 AA pilots below the most junior TWA pilot. Why does there appear to be a discrepancy?


A: You have a clear picture of the furloughs. There are 594 on furlough from AA and 310 on furlough from TWA. 208 of the AA furloughees are being recalled May 1. This will leave a total of 696 on furlough.


Now to clear some of the confusion. On the combined seniority list there are about 410 Eagle flow through pilots who have upgraded to Captain on the RJ, have been assigned a seniority number at AA, but had not finished their two-year lock in. Since they were never hired, they are not being recalled. They will come to AA when we begin the new hire process somewhere down the road. You can identify these pilots by looking under the DOH column. Since they have not been hired, they have no class date listed.


By my calculation there are 475 pilots listed junior to the most junior TWA pilot. This means there are 386 on furlough and 89 Eagle flow through.


To give you more information than you asked for, by my calculation:


On 4/10/2001 there were 14,360 pilots on the combined list:



AA 11,613
TWA 2,337
AE Flow 410
Total 14,360


Hope this helps.

Anne Evans
Director Flight Administration

 

[bayoubandit]

Now that we've beaten the recall order to death, are the first few newhire classes going to purely Eagle. What else do we have to talk about now?

 

[bayoubandit]

Hey guys,

Just spoke to a friend of mine DFW S80 FO. He said the flying has really picked up. He's on reserve, flew 75 hrs last month and has been called everyday this month to go fly. Hopefully this trend keeps up.

 

[flynAAvy]

Here's another question... I'm currently serving a one year recall in the military (until next Feb.) and I figure I'm about 450 from the top (including the TWA dudes) from being recalled. My best guess is that I'll be recalled in the fall of 2003 if all goes well. I'm still holding a AE flow-back position and plan on going to training when my active duty stint runs out. Can anyone tell me how the AE training is going? Are they fair? Is there any bias towards the flow-back pilots? Can't imagine they would be very receptive to us...
Thanks. Out.

 

[F/O PeterNorth]

Does anybody know if we're getting LOS for our furlough? I don't remember the company agreeing to it but it's become an urban legend. If not I hope the APA demands it before they even sit down.
Seems like every time we've had folks on furlough and been in contract negotiations that it takes years to get LOS for the last furloughed group.
I think the early 90's guys just got it.
Wouldn't suck to go back on 2nd or 3rd year pay...especially under new pay rates.

 

[SF3CA]

Now that we've beaten the recall order to death, are the first few newhire classes going to purely Eagle. What else do we have to talk about now?


I'm sure this will be something that AMR/ALPA/APA will fight about. The FTA says says that up to one half of the new hire classes at AA will be offered to Eagle pilots. Now the company implemented this by only offering seniority numbers to Eagle pilots equal to one half of the class size each month at AA. So when AA hired 80 in one month, forty numbers were eligible to go to Eagle pilots.......and if Eagle only had 5 pilots completing I.O.E that month.....only 5 got a seniortiy number. Eagle's position on this was the 50% requirement was for the issuance of seniority numbers at AA. So far in the life of this aggrement, Eagle never had enough pilots ready to take seniority numbers that would meet that 50%.

We now have 410 Eagle Pilots with AA seniority numbers that should transfer to AA as soon as posible. (By the way, from what I understand, Eagle Flow Pilots are not considered new hires.....they are company transfers.) Does Eagle want to loose 20, 30, 50 jet captains a month when AA starts hiring again? I think we know the answer to that. Their position was the 50% was for the issuance of numbers (not class % at AA).....I guess we will see what their positon will be in a few years.

SF3CA