AA Coming to Love

[chase]

Just was passed some info that AA is meeting with Love officials and will be making an announcement early next week that AA will be returning to Love in the very near future. Evening news reports out of Dallas stated this. No details yet....should be interesting. Is it a response to the waiver for flights to Sen Bond's home state? Maybe...it should be prove to be interesting. Welcome to our friends from across the metroplex!!!

 

[swaforme]

Again.

 

[Mach 80]

It'll be fun to watch their go-arounds from the slam dunks into the 13s....again, too.

 

[sf260pilot]

Does MO want anything to do with AA anymore after the way they treated TWA?

 

[canyonblue]

Can't wait to see 'em taxi. Moving like a glacier.uke:

 

[Dangerkitty]

Does MO want anything to do with AA anymore after the way they treated TWA?

That's the main reason this "Amendment" to the Wright Amendment was undertaken by Senator Bond. AA has pissed this guy off from the get-go.
They came in and made all these promises and in true AMR fashion welched on almost every one.

Senator Bond is pissed and wants SWA to be the primary carrier in and out of STL. Ending the restrictions of the Wright Amendment to his state is one way to accomplish that goal.

After the way AMR treated the city of STL and MO I can't say that I blame him for undertaking this objective.

 

[lowecur]

Interesting move.

The thing to watch is what they can negotiate as far as the number of available gates. If they can get 15 or more gates(subject to WA repeal), they will draw down D/FW to compensate. This will serve two purposes. It could make D/FW a more attractive airport to expand for the LCC's, and it will clog the existing operations and expansion plans for SWA at DAL.

 

[say again]

OH how I feel the "love"!!!:beer:

 

[jetexas]

There will probably be some Eagle RJ's moved over there. Herb and friends should hang out in the terminal and instigate mass defections!

 

[Jim Smyth]

Will they will go back to Austin again with 8 flights a day with an MD-80 with there 30 percent load factor? Should be another great move! As Bob Barker says...............Come on down!

 

[luv2fly]

"The thing to watch is what they can negotiate as far as the number of available gates. If they can get 15 or more gates(subject to WA repeal), they will draw down D/FW to compensate. This will serve two purposes. It could make D/FW a more attractive airport to expand for the LCC's, and it will clog the existing operations and expansion plans for SWA at DAL."

AA won't get that many. We have leases on about 26, I think, someone correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, the main terminal is a long way from being able to operate that many gates. The jetways are not there. Also, a few buildings will have to be moved. I think a better move for AA would be to take the old Legend Terminal. They would be out of the way and could do their own thing.

 

[OffHot]

Lowcur, you must not be a local. This is the same ole AA coming to Love field. They will come, lose money, and leave. Or maybe this time lose money and stay. We can compete at Love field, just as they can at DFW. The only sad part is that they have the nerve to ask employees for pay cuts, while they play cat and mouse at Love field and lose money.

 

[furloughfodder]

It's not fair! They shouldn't be allowed to come to Love!! Not fair!

 

[crudzilla]

Glad to have our American Airlines Amigos back at Love! I'm sure Gerard and crew have weighed all the factors in this decision and found some monetary or political benefit to it. It's just business--now spend some of that capital you expect to earn and give back some concessions, fund that pension or recall some of my brethren.

 

[canyonblue]

It's not fair! They shouldn't be allowed to come to Love!! Not fair!

I agree. Why should they come to Love when DFW is the masterpiece they say it is. They shouldn't be allowed to come to Love at all, let 'em live at DFW since they "love" it so much.

 

[Wingsweep]

Whatever you say...

Interesting move.

... and it will clog the existing operations and expansion plans for SWA at DAL.

and you fancy yourself an airline analyst? WS

 

[lowecur]

and you fancy yourself an airline analyst? WS

No, I'm an airline analcyst........pop!........oooooo. :laugh:

imp:

 

[lowecur]

AA won't get that many. We have leases on about 26, I think, someone correct me if I am wrong.

Now that's hard to believe. Is that a lifetime lease, or just 25 years? What do you operate now, 14 or 15?

Do you really believe the WA will be repealed with a 26 gate lockup on a total of 32? There will have to be compromises pally, and 26 gates won't cut it.

 

[Draginass]

There will probably be some Eagle RJ's moved over there. Herb and friends should hang out in the terminal and instigate mass defections!

Mass defections . . . like anybody had to be convinced to leave??? Anybody that can get out of this place is already gone.

 

[swait]

I think that the only reason they are coming to Love is so they can point out that it is feasible to operate at both DFW and Love fields with the Wright Amendment in place. Therefore if they can do it, so can SWA.

Of course, they won't mention the money they are willing to lose to prove this point.

 

[OffHot]

American already has three gates at Love, costing them 300k per year. They might be looking at the old Legacy gates, isn't that ironic, which would be great for them and great for SWA. Keeps them on the east side and out of our way. The best thing that could happen is AA/Eagle start using 50 seat aircraft and bypass the WA, then those in Washington would see that this isn't a local issue and the WA make no sense. Of course Joe Barton would say SWA deserves this and that if they would just move to DFW all would be good. Of course Kit Bond will get his wish, a price war between AA and SWA to STL and MCI. Funny though we will set the price, make a profit, AA will match and lose money. Wasn't it just a month ago that AA said they needed to focus on overseas routes because they make the greatest revenue.. That was short lived.

 

[TexaSWA]

Do you really believe the WA will be repealed with a 26 gate lockup on a total of 32? There will have to be compromises pally, and 26 gates won't cut it.

I for one am glad to hear you say that.

 

[aa73]

Funny though we will set the price, make a profit, AA will match and lose money. Wasn't it just a month ago that AA said they needed to focus on overseas routes because they make the greatest revenue.. That was short lived.

Not quite short lived. We are still focusing our biggest expansions on overseas routes. The Love flying wouldn't actually be "new" service because they're gonna have to take some aircraft and routes out of DFW to start the DAL service.

I'm still amazed how most of you really turn this into a personal battle when really it is just business decisions being made by our two managements. I for one hope that our companies don't suffer the consequences of poor decisions. I'm sure the WA will fall, always have believed that, and even so I still greatly admire SWA and its pilots. All we can do is go along for the ride.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Do you really believe the WA will be repealed with a 26 gate lockup on a total of 32? There will have to be compromises pally, and 26 gates won't cut it.

Sure....look at Houston Hobby....SWA has all but 5 of the gates there...and guess what?...No complaints from the other tenants...including AA.

Tejas

 

[canyonblue]

It's amazing how when Southwest builds up an airport that no one wants to fly out of, MDW DAL HOU etc, everyone else shows up later and complains about us having too many gates.

 

[sf260pilot]

"They might be looking at the old Legacy gates, isn't that ironic, which would be great for them and great for SWA." -OFFHOT

That way AA will split it's hub and then split it's Love Feild Ops. I can just hear those NICE AA ticket counter agents now: "No maam you are on the wrong side of the airport, No maam we will not wait for you."

 

[80drvr]

It's amazing how when Southwest builds up an airport that no one wants to fly out of, MDW DAL HOU etc, everyone else shows up later and complains about us having too many gates.

You might want to brush up on the history of DAL.

 

[cipolini]

The last time they were here they used F100s with 50 seats and flew to LAX and LGA to compete with Legend. That was after they matched the SWA's AUS schedule flight for flight with a 27% load factor on their MD80s. I think the load factors on their LAX and NYC wasn't very good either, I had a AA pilot friend who flew those DAL flights and he mentioned that it would be easy to nonrev on those flights... So after 9/11 they hightailed it back to the mothership at DFW.

 

[canyonblue]

You might want to brush up on the history of DAL.

The history after 1971. I know it already. Anything prior to that would not involve SWA and not involve SWA and a Tombstone airport.

 

[Hoke]

I wish AA all the best in coming to Love Field however, isn't this the biggest injustice you could do to your employees and shareholders by going back to DAL knowing full well it's going to be a money losing operation fueled by ego.