A little story about Midwest and Republic

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I agree it's stolen from another board..A mouse looked through the crack in the wall to see the farmer and his wife open a package.

"What food might this contain?" The mouse wondered.

He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.






Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed this warning :

"There is a mousetrap in the house!

There is a mousetrap in the house!"







The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said,

"Mr. Mouse, I can tell this is of grave concern to you,

but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it."

The mouse turned to the pig and told him,

"There is a mousetrap in the house!

There is a mousetrap in the house!"







The pig sympathized, but said, "I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse,

but there is nothing I can do about it but pray.

Be assured you are in my prayers."





The mouse turned to the cow and said, "There is a mousetrap in the house!

There is a mousetrap in the house!"





The cow said, "Wow, Mr. Mouse. I'm sorry for you, but it's no skin off my nose."





So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected,

to face the farmer's mousetrap

. . . Alone . . .





That very night a sound was heard throughout the house

-- the sound Of a mousetrap catching its prey.





The farmer's wife rushed to see what was caught.

In the darkness, she did not see it.

It was a venomous snake whose tail was caught in the trap.





The snake bit the farmer's wife. The farmer rushed her to the hospital.


When she returned home she still had a fever. Everyone knows you treat a fever

with fresh chicken soup. So the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard

for the soup's main ingredient:







But his wife's sickness continued. Friends and neighbors came to sit with her

around the clock. To feed them, the farmer butchered the pig.




But, alas, the farmer's wife did not get well . . . She died.



So many people came for her funeral that the farmer had the cow slaughtered

to provide enough meat for all of them for the funeral luncheon.





And the mouse looked upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness.



So, the next time you hear someone is facing a problem and you think

it doesn't concern you, remember ---


When one of us is threatened, we are all at risk.
..
 

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And the facade of "scope protection" is now completely exposed for even the people with severe vision impairment to see thanks to the RAH/ Frontier pilots. This problem began though with the first commuter code share and now we see how it will play out for all of us at the big airlines. A few w************************* in DEN lowered the bar with their coming shoulder shrug and sigh proclaiming "sorry Midwest guys, I'm just following my company's orders by flying my 319 on your routes. There's nothing I can do about it." Welcome to the end of the show!
 

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"sorry Midwest guys, I'm just following my company's orders by flying my 319 on your routes. There's nothing I can do about it."

I'm sorry you feel that way.
 

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"sorry Midwest guys, I'm just following my company's orders by flying my 319 on your routes. There's nothing I can do about it."

I'm sorry you feel that way.
Apathy is contagious. It's spreading.
 

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This problem began though with the first commuter code share and now we see how it will play out for all of us at the big airlines
This problem started when mainline pilots didn't want to fly turboprops anymore or later on baby jets...
 

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The midwest guys did not stand up and stop flying their planes when they saw what management was doing. But now you expect Frontier guys to stand up for you?
 

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God Bless the Frontier pilots... They are such a bold group to move forward, stepping over the corpses of those Midwest guys with their 319's from Denver. How many MKE routes did Frontier guys fly this month? How many MKE routes will Frontier be flying in the next few months?
Hmmm. I guess to be a Frontier pilot you have to have good hand washing skills...
 

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Looks like another ALPA pilot group taking the short end of the stick.
ALPA=Failure
Look at the pilot groups that have suffered the most and ALPA is a winner by a long shot. No Union has given away more jobs then ALPA. The airlines represented by ALPA are not doing to well. I wonder why. ATA, MESA, Trans States, Midwest, Champion,Aloha,TWA, Eastern, Pan Am, Colgan, United, former USAIR.etc. the giving never ends.

M
 

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The midwest guys did not stand up and stop flying their planes when they saw what management was doing. But now you expect Frontier guys to stand up for you?
Are you f@#$ing crazy? We repeatedly turned down RAH payrates that were offered to us, all the while shouting about what was going on while being ignored. We held the bar.

I don't expect the Frontier pilots to do anything. I expect them to roll over like the little lap dogs at RAH did.
 

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Are you f@#$ing crazy? We repeatedly turned down RAH payrates that were offered to us, all the while shouting about what was going on while being ignored. We held the bar.

I don't expect the Frontier pilots to do anything. I expect them to roll over like the little lap dogs at RAH did.
****
He was asking you a question. Did you guys go on strike?
 

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He was asking you a question. Did you guys go on strike?
I'll answer your asinine, rhetorical question.

When could we go on strike? We haven't had a cooling down period. We requested a mediator as quickly as possible and followed all the steps in the process. It is now our IBT brethren who are delaying and hemming/hawing.

It's ok to use technicalities in your defense of the RAH rats. They knew exactly what they were doing. They are in dreamland if they think Bedford will give them any good payrates. Midwest pilots turned mgmt flat down on their proposals for almost a year and a half. How long will it take the IBT to cave?
 

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I'll answer your asinine, rhetorical question.

When could we go on strike? We haven't had a cooling down period. We requested a mediator as quickly as possible and followed all the steps in the process. It is now our IBT brethren who are delaying and hemming/hawing.

It's ok to use technicalities in your defense of the RAH rats. They knew exactly what they were doing. They are in dreamland if they think Bedford will give them any good payrates. Midwest pilots turned mgmt flat down on their proposals for almost a year and a half. How long will it take the IBT to cave?
I was merely asking you a question. I'm not here defending them. You seem so bent out of shape for a simple question.
 

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He is!!! but then that could be us too!!! any way, is a management mastermind!!

did I said that their favorite toilet papper is BA.
 

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CitationLover.....
Midwest failed for many reasons. Why are you playing off those failures on everyone else. Airlines are businesses and do what businesses do, they are not very inclined to be autruistic. They look for good deals and they attempt to cut wages. You assumption that all routes out of MKE solely belong to YX is simply asinine. What has happened has happened. You believe you were valiant "holding the line" congrats. But what is the purpose of holding the line on a company that has no money and is destined to go under..Let me guess your one of those "lets shut this place down." We all applaud your decision to put yourself out of work and your company along with it. But with that being said you will probably blame your management for tanking your company and the pilots had nothing to do with it. Even with that being true you go after other pilots for what their management does and what their pilots fail to do in your opinion of what they shoud do....a little hypocritical?

The whole purpose of this post was not to embarass you or point out obvious truths but mosty as a call to move on and make a better life for yourself since obviously your not content about what is happening in MKE... Your diatribes are wearing thin. Most people on this board sympathized with you and what happened to YX (even the good folks at RP and F9 that you like to malign) But your rants are becoming repetitious and juvenile.

Good luck

En mort main
 

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CitationLover.....
Midwest failed for many reasons. Why are you playing off those failures on everyone else. Airlines are businesses and do what businesses do, they are not very inclined to be autruistic. They look for good deals and they attempt to cut wages. You assumption that all routes out of MKE solely belong to YX is simply asinine. What has happened has happened. You believe you were valiant "holding the line" congrats. But what is the purpose of holding the line on a company that has no money and is destined to go under..Let me guess your one of those "lets shut this place down." We all applaud your decision to put yourself out of work and your company along with it. But with that being said you will probably blame your management for tanking your company and the pilots had nothing to do with it. Even with that being true you go after other pilots for what their management does and what their pilots fail to do in your opinion of what they shoud do....a little hypocritical?

The whole purpose of this post was not to embarass you or point out obvious truths but mosty as a call to move on and make a better life for yourself since obviously your not content about what is happening in MKE... Your diatribes are wearing thin. Most people on this board sympathized with you and what happened to YX (even the good folks at RP and F9 that you like to malign) But your rants are becoming repetitious and juvenile.

Good luck

En mort main
Let me guess, you are a RAH D-OUCHE?
 

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Are you guys honestly trying to accuse FAPA pilots of "rolling over" and "stepping over corpses"....

RAH just purchased F9, or they will purchase us in a week, and they have announced that several airbus will operate at MKE.

At what point in time has FAPA had any input regarding this decision?

You obviously have a lot to be upset about, but we are not the enemy. Your company began the "death march" in 2000 when TH announced "Destination 2004" and then failed to execute at every level.

Picking the 717 because it lent itself to the 2x2 seating, instead of the bus or 737, was the first step towards self-destruction. I was at the shareholders meeting after the 717 announcement and an investor asked TH "what was the plan for replacing the MD80 since the 717 couldn't make it to the west coast?". TH didn't have an answer. The same investor asked if Midwest could survive by flying a multi-type fleet and Hoeksema provided the following gem "we are confident that boeing will produce a dash 200 or 300 that will eventually reach the west coast". Timmy constantly leveraged the entire company's future on promises or technology that didn't even exist (Skyway ordering 328's because they were cheap and they wanted to purchase 428's and 728's, how did that work out?)We all know what happened. Boeing counted on 2500 orders, yet only 152 717's were actually sold before they canceled production.

Your company, like mine, has been misled and mismanaged by some pretty pathetic C-level morons.

Last year, we actually attracted a sharp fellow named Menke and he, with some assistance, worked a miracle. Several miracles outside of our control also contributed to our survival.

YX never attracted someone smart enough to stop the inevitable, and Hoeksema drove the place into the ground.

Your jobs are not dying on Nov. 3 and f9 is not pulling the plug. Hoeksema killed YX almost a decade ago.
 

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Maybe if the mouse attemped to think of a plan that could neutralize the mousetrap instead of spending his time and energy whining to everybody else in hopes they'd drop everything they're doing and cater to his needs, the situation could have been avoided. But no, his first thought was "I have a problem that could cause me some trouble. Something needs to be done but I don't want to get my hands dirty doing it. I'll get someone else to do that."

So as a result, his inaction got everybody else killed and, ironically, saved his own life.
 

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Are you guys honestly trying to accuse FAPA pilots of "rolling over" and "stepping over corpses"....

RAH just purchased F9, or they will purchase us in a week, and they have announced that several airbus will operate at MKE.

At what point in time has FAPA had any input regarding this decision?

You obviously have a lot to be upset about, but we are not the enemy. Your company began the "death march" in 2000 when TH announced "Destination 2004" and then failed to execute at every level.

Picking the 717 because it lent itself to the 2x2 seating, instead of the bus or 737, was the first step towards self-destruction. I was at the shareholders meeting after the 717 announcement and an investor asked TH "what was the plan for replacing the MD80 since the 717 couldn't make it to the west coast?". TH didn't have an answer. The same investor asked if Midwest could survive by flying a multi-type fleet and Hoeksema provided the following gem "we are confident that boeing will produce a dash 200 or 300 that will eventually reach the west coast". Timmy constantly leveraged the entire company's future on promises or technology that didn't even exist (Skyway ordering 328's because they were cheap and they wanted to purchase 428's and 728's, how did that work out?)We all know what happened. Boeing counted on 2500 orders, yet only 152 717's were actually sold before they canceled production.

Your company, like mine, has been misled and mismanaged by some pretty pathetic C-level morons.

Last year, we actually attracted a sharp fellow named Menke and he, with some assistance, worked a miracle. Several miracles outside of our control also contributed to our survival.

YX never attracted someone smart enough to stop the inevitable, and Hoeksema drove the place into the ground.

Your jobs are not dying on Nov. 3 and f9 is not pulling the plug. Hoeksema killed YX almost a decade ago.
So says the man flying for the company exiting bankruptcy......irony!
 

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Could somebody please do something about how fat I am? It's too late to look for help after things have spiraled out of control.
 

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Citationlover,

I get it. you guys got royally screwed. You are pissed at the world. But listen to yourself. You say that it would have been illegal for you to do anything but fly like normal until the day all of you were laid off. But you are saying it would be legal for the Frontier guys to take some sort of job action for you? The laws are never on the side of labor. It is a cruel reality.
 
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