A little story about Midwest and Republic

[Full of LUV]

Uh What.....

Even though I will never vote for an SLI that doesnt give a fair shake to the YX pilots (despite what idiots like St. Dick have already foreseen in their crystal ball), I should stand back and watch MKE get sacked by Airtran and Southwest on principle. Hell, they might even name an elementary school after me for being so bold. The internet is obviously the idiots ally...

Uh, when have you ever seen a pilot group "vote" on an SLI? If so, there would never ever ever ever be a SLI passed, especially a fair one as it has been documented on here many times that a fair one leaves almost all in some sort of peed off state.

 

[CitationLover]

That in itself is your problem. You can't even get the support of your fellow pilots. Then, you come here blackballing RAH and F9 pilots. Why don't you yourself just do your own job action?

We all want to see Citation Lover's job action.

I can't help it the majority of senior pilots at Midwest are selfish, just like the Republic pilots. They will enjoy slinging gear for the spiky hear crowd. Karma will get them and the "let's work together crowd" at Midwest.

Despite them being selfish, I'd rather them fly the routes than the RAH weenies.

 

[DIZNYTWNPLT]

Amen to the TH post...

I agree with the post about YX's demise being written those few years back...whatever anyone feels now, many poor decisions have brought YX to a place as bad as this....enjoy your freakin' cookies, TH...I hope you burn your tongue on a hot chocolate chip....

I miss an airline schedule (mabye), but boy I don't miss airlines!

 

[Axel]

When could we go on strike?

Dude, listen to yourself. What you have just said is that since you could not legally strike, everyone who did not illegally strike is at fault.

 

[CitationLover]

Dude, listen to yourself. What you have just said is that since you could not legally strike, everyone who did not illegally strike is at fault.

A simple public statement would be nice, dude.

Dude, you don't fly for Pinnacle, dude and am a member of the 410 club are you dude?

 

[Popeye0537]

A simple public statement would be nice, dude.

Dude, you don't fly for Pinnacle, dude and am a member of the 410 club are you dude?

Ouch, karma man

But really guys Citation is just pissed off because he's going to be driving that old 1982 Chevy Citation around for ALOT longer then he thought. And with his lack of "game" and employment he can't go to the bar and use the "I'm a pilot" line anymone. He hasn't been laid in a very long time and the outlook is not promising. I would be pissed off if I were him also!

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Ouch, karma man

But really guys Citation is just pissed off because he's going to be driving that old 1982 Chevy Citation around for ALOT longer then he thought.

Actually he drives a Hybrid. I drove it once, I like it. I also had a citation once, I actually learned how to drive in it. It was kind of rusty but my dad had it repainted and sold it for 3 times what he paid for it. Its funny how a coat of paint can increase the value so much. That was in 1990 and Batman was just released on VHS. The Tim Burton Batman is one of my favorite movies. Its too bad Heath Ledger died, I really enjoyed his portrayal of the Joker.

 

[CitationLover]

Ouch, karma man

But really guys Citation is just pissed off because he's going to be driving that old 1982 Chevy Citation around for ALOT longer then he thought. And with his lack of "game" and employment he can't go to the bar and use the "I'm a pilot" line anymone. He hasn't been laid in a very long time and the outlook is not promising. I would be pissed off if I were him also!

I now work 24hrs/wk, home every night, and will be happy to compare W2's with you. Want to share?

As for getting laid, I've been married for 11 yrs, have a daughter.....of course I am not getting laid.

 

[CitationLover]

Actually he drives a Hybrid. I drove it once, I like it.

Yes, if we could rename our id's on here, I guess I would be CivicHybridLover now........

 

[airlinepilot]

all this should make for a wonder SLI

 

[Full of LUV]

Thinking the same thing....

all this should make for a wonder SLI

I was thinking the same thing, there is no brainstorming on how to get a great contract and build a nice airline and career, they are just already at eachother's throats about trying to inherit a spot on the RAH list, which most won't accept anyway.

 

[Popeye0537]

I now work 24hrs/wk, home every night, and will be happy to compare W2's with you. Want to share?

As for getting laid, I've been married for 11 yrs, have a daughter.....of course I am not getting laid.

Sure, already posted on another thread. 85k give or take a couple of hundred, 4 weeks of vacation on 50 seat pay. (5th year) Average 14-15 days off. Not great but liveable


Now you.......

 

[CitationLover]

Sure, already posted on another thread. 85k give or take a couple of hundred, 4 weeks of vacation on 50 seat pay. (5th year) Average 14-15 days off. Not great but liveable


Now you.......

24hrs a week completely flexible including working from home, 24 days of vacation, 8 holidays, $50k, home every night, no commuting, subsidized medical/dental/eye, 401k with 6% match and profit sharing: $40.50/hr. That's roughly 50% of what you make while only being on the clock 4/15th of the time you are.

That's for putting numbers into a spreadsheet versus holding 50 peoples lives in yours and your copilots hands. Which one should be more valuable? That's how much Bedford values you.

 

[BlackPilot628]

24hrs a week completely flexible including working from home, 24 days of vacation, 8 holidays, $50k, home every night, no commuting, subsidized medical/dental/eye, 401k with 6% match and profit sharing: $40.50/hr. That's roughly 50% of what you make while only being on the clock 4/15th of the time you are.

That's for putting numbers into a spreadsheet versus holding 50 peoples lives in yours and your copilots hands. Which one should be more valuable? That's how much Bedford values you.

Well see you in training Citation lover. You talk all that Bull********************t now, but you will be here and your mouth will be shut because your ballz are to small. You better make your words sweet, because you may be eatting them.

 

[dougdrvr]

Well see you in training Citation lover. You talk all that Bull********************t now, but you will be here and your mouth will be shut because your ballz are to small. You better make your words sweet, because you may be eatting them.

Are you making "training" threats, like Popeye. You had best reconsider or you could find yourself on the street.

And Bedford muses "Where do we get such men".

 

[CitationLover]

Well see you in training Citation lover. You talk all that Bull********************t now, but you will be here and your mouth will be shut because your ballz are to small. You better make your words sweet, because you may be eatting them.

Care to wager on that? Unlike you idiot RAH pilots, there is life outside of flying.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Care to wager on that? Unlike you idiot RAH pilots, there is life outside of flying.

Oh please.. You have no life. You are out of aviation and you live on flightinfo.com. You are a real cool guy. Typical Jackassz.
BTW- Been running my own S-Corp since I was 20 years old. and guess what.. I have a daughter too and I still get laid.
You should be mad at your own managment when they sold you up the river.

--You know whats funny, You are all up and pissed now.. but where were the Midwest guys when people were getting screwed up the butt at Skyway.. Funny how things work.

Homo!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Care to wager on that? Unlike you idiot RAH pilots, there is life outside of flying.

If there is life outside of flying.....why are you on FI arguing with Republic pilots? I believe your beef should be with ALPA...not Republic pilots...But since you have moved on, and there is life outside of flying...why do you care?

 

[Full of LUV]

When you say ALPA....

If there is life outside of flying.....why are you on FI arguing with Republic pilots? I believe your beef should be with ALPA...not Republic pilots...But since you have moved on, and there is life outside of flying...why do you care?

You mean his own MEC right, because they seem to be the ones who let the company announce that it was replacing all the pilots and planes with RAH wet lease and everyone kept on keeping on......

How would ALPA national get involved exactly except ensure that all contracts that are written under their auspices contain airtight scope language in the future. If EVERY ALPA carrier had the same standard scope language, then it would be a non-issue at negotiation time because a company would know what is standard. Same with wages and benefits, have a floor that ALPA would require or you are no longer allowed to be considered ALPA. Then you work JS access into ALPA or better carriers only contracts and cut the newcomers with their, lets have a free ride mentality putting pressure on the established carriers.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You mean his own MEC right, because they seem to be the ones who let the company announce that it was replacing all the pilots and planes with RAH wet lease and everyone kept on keeping on......

How would ALPA national get involved exactly except ensure that all contracts that are written under their auspices contain airtight scope language in the future. If EVERY ALPA carrier had the same standard scope language, then it would be a non-issue at negotiation time because a company would know what is standard. Same with wages and benefits, have a floor that ALPA would require or you are no longer allowed to be considered ALPA. Then you work JS access into ALPA or better carriers only contracts and cut the newcomers with their, lets have a free ride mentality putting pressure on the established carriers.

ALPA (both local MECs and national) botched the whole scope issue from the beginning. They didn't want to fly "little airplanes" at the "mainline" level. This created a two tiered system. Those of us at the "minors" have been dealing with this system for many years. Now the "minors" are starting to enter the domain of the "majors", and some of you are surprised by this action....What did you expect?

Many of you "big airplane" drivers helped create this system....Don't be surprised when it bites you in the @$$!

 

[hockeypilot44]

Sure, already posted on another thread. 85k give or take a couple of hundred, 4 weeks of vacation on 50 seat pay. (5th year) Average 14-15 days off. Not great but liveable


Now you.......

I don't understand how this is possible. You make $67/hour give or take a few cents. Per diem doesn't count. 85,000/67 = 1269 hours for the year. You can only legally fly 1000 hours per year. Even to get 1000 hours/year (67k), you would have to average 83.33 hours per month. At 5 hours/day average (I'm guessing you don't get much more than that due to being a regional), you're looking at a 13.75 days off per month average. I know you get some vacation pay and there are some other variables, but your numbers seem to be stretching it. Counting per diem is the only way I can see you getting 85k. I've heard of 5th year Republic pilots claiming they make 100k. This is just not possible. Your base salary is $60,300/year. That is all you are guaranteed. The problem with this industry is no one knows how little we make because guys like you are always exaggerating their salaries.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't understand how this is possible. You make $67/hour give or take a few cents. Per diem doesn't count. 85,000/67 = 1269 hours for the year. You can only legally fly 1000 hours per year. Even to get 1000 hours/year (67k), you would have to average 83.33 hours per month. At 5 hours/day average (I'm guessing you don't get much more than that due to being a regional), you're looking at a 13.75 days off per month average. I know you get some vacation pay and there are some other variables, but your numbers seem to be stretching it. Counting per diem is the only way I can see you getting 85k. I've heard of 5th year Republic pilots claiming they make 100k. This is just not possible. Your base salary is $60,300/year. That is all you are guaranteed. The problem with this industry is no one knows how little we make because guys like you are always exaggerating their salaries.

Hockeypilot, I don't know about Republic, but at ASA, I have credited over 100 hours with only 80 hours of flying....The regional contracts of old aren't the same as now....

 

[BlackPilot628]

Hockeypilot, I don't know about Republic, but at ASA, I have credited over 100 hours with only 80 hours of flying....The regional contracts of old aren't the same as now....

True. The E175 pay override works to our favor too. I have had a 147 Hour pay credit month. Plus 80 hours of Override pay.
I took 2 months off last summer (2007) and I still made around 69k. My wifes and my taxes showed 93k and some change combined. with that said, it does include Per-deim too. (I think)

 

[CitationLover]

True. The E175 pay override works to our favor too. I have had a 147 Hour pay credit month. Plus 80 hours of Override pay.
I took 2 months off last summer (2007) and I still made around 69k. My wifes and my taxes showed 93k and some change combined. with that said, it does include Per-deim too. (I think)

Ohhh 93K. Ohhh. That's BIG money. Glad to see you're cracking the whip on the wife for $24k. Thats not a lot of tricks, must be why you still get laid.

 

[St. Nic]

Republic is unsuitable for this profession- sweat shop wages where 500 hour pilots gleefully go to work for $25/ hr to fly a jet. The Republic pilots are a management's dream. You can look at what happened to Midwest and the rest of us in the industry better beware if their business model succeeds because Skywest, Pinnacle or any other regional the majors are filling the coffers with $$$ may be next. I doubt Republic will succeed, this has been tried by Mesa, Indy Air and (thank God) both failed. Hopefully Republic will collapse and the major airline pilots can take this lesson to move for much tighter scope, perhaps even get rid of all feeders entirely because both Indy Air and Republic showed us what these regional "partners" can grow up into. The best thing that could happen for the piloting profession is to have Republic disappear.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Ohhh 93K. Ohhh. That's BIG money. Glad to see you're cracking the whip on the wife for $24k. Thats not a lot of tricks, must be why you still get laid.

Don't hate because you can't get *************************yy. I am sure you are still finding some FA's to blow at your office job!

 

[hockeypilot44]

True. The E175 pay override works to our favor too. I have had a 147 Hour pay credit month. Plus 80 hours of Override pay.
I took 2 months off last summer (2007) and I still made around 69k. My wifes and my taxes showed 93k and some change combined. with that said, it does include Per-deim too. (I think)

What is the 175 override pay? Is that the $6 or $7 an hour more you get to fly a 77-99 seat aircraft instead of a 51-76 seat aircraft? How did you have a 147 hour credit month? You have no trip regs, no duty regs, no cancellation pay. I'm just curious how you received 47 hours over what you are legally allowed to fly without work rules. The only thing I can think of is working through a vacation or cashing in PDO's. If you guys are telling the truth, it sounds like things are pretty good over there.

 

[BlackPilot628]

What is the 175 override pay? Is that the $6 or $7 an hour more you get to fly a 77-99 seat aircraft instead of a 51-76 seat aircraft? How did you have a 147 hour credit month? You have no trip regs, no duty regs, no cancellation pay. I'm just curious how you received 47 hours over what you are legally allowed to fly without work rules. The only thing I can think of is working through a vacation or cashing in PDO's. If you guys are telling the truth, it sounds like things are pretty good over there.

Bidding RSV. For Example, If you are on RSV on Monday and they just DH you from PHL-DCA. That equals 4 hours of pay. Even though you did not fly. Any assignment is a min of 4 hours. Weather you work .1 Hrs or 3.9 hours. Anything over your 4 hours of pay will most likely be paid above Guarantee. Also, If you swap a RSV day for a day off because they call and ask you to work, you will be paid 4 hours for your original day Plus you will be paid on your day off as a "DAY OF ASSMNT" which goes above Guarantee.

So in short. If you are on RSV and the company if flying you like crazy (including DH's) you will very easily break 110-120 hours of pay credit.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Bidding RSV. For Example, If you are on RSV on Monday and they just DH you from PHL-DCA. That equals 4 hours of pay. Even though you did not fly. Any assignment is a min of 4 hours. Weather you work .1 Hrs or 3.9 hours. Anything over your 4 hours of pay will most likely be paid above Guarantee. Also, If you swap a RSV day for a day off because they call and ask you to work, you will be paid 4 hours for your original day Plus you will be paid on your day off as a "DAY OF ASSMNT" which goes above Guarantee.

So in short. If you are on RSV and the company if flying you like crazy (including DH's) you will very easily break 110-120 hours of pay credit.

110-120 is not 147. If you're working every single reserve day, you are only getting 11 days off per month. 147/31=4.74 hours. That means you have to average almost 5 hours per day if you work every single day of the month. 147/20=7.35 hours/day. I don't understand how a few 4 hour days with very little flying will get you over 120 hours/month. That 4 hour minimum guarantee for reserve is nothing to be proud of. Your numbers are exaggerated. They just don't add up.

 

[BlackPilot628]

110-120 is not 147. If you're working every single reserve day, you are only getting 11 days off per month. 147/31=4.74 hours. That means you have to average almost 5 hours per day if you work every single day of the month. 147/20=7.35 hours/day. I don't understand how a few 4 hour days with very little flying will get you over 120 hours/month. That 4 hour minimum guarantee for reserve is nothing to be proud of. Your numbers are exaggerated. They just don't add up.

You not including D.O.A pay. Again. In one day I can make 12 Hours of CREDIT pay. Also, There is no Junior manning, so you can work out deals with scheduling to make more money. For Example, they called and begged me last year to do a CLT-CHS flight one night because the Org. capt called off. We have no base in CLT but I live in CLT. I ended up getting 12 hours of pay for the 1 hour flight.

Like I said, 147 was the most I ever had and that was when I was a 2nd year FO.
As a Capt.. Maybe around 122 or so.