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Are you guys honestly trying to accuse FAPA pilots of "rolling over" and "stepping over corpses"....

RAH just purchased F9, or they will purchase us in a week, and they have announced that several airbus will operate at MKE.

At what point in time has FAPA had any input regarding this decision?

You obviously have a lot to be upset about, but we are not the enemy. Your company began the "death march" in 2000 when TH announced "Destination 2004" and then failed to execute at every level.

Picking the 717 because it lent itself to the 2x2 seating, instead of the bus or 737, was the first step towards self-destruction. I was at the shareholders meeting after the 717 announcement and an investor asked TH "what was the plan for replacing the MD80 since the 717 couldn't make it to the west coast?". TH didn't have an answer. The same investor asked if Midwest could survive by flying a multi-type fleet and Hoeksema provided the following gem "we are confident that boeing will produce a dash 200 or 300 that will eventually reach the west coast". Timmy constantly leveraged the entire company's future on promises or technology that didn't even exist (Skyway ordering 328's because they were cheap and they wanted to purchase 428's and 728's, how did that work out?)We all know what happened. Boeing counted on 2500 orders, yet only 152 717's were actually sold before they canceled production.

Your company, like mine, has been misled and mismanaged by some pretty pathetic C-level morons.

Last year, we actually attracted a sharp fellow named Menke and he, with some assistance, worked a miracle. Several miracles outside of our control also contributed to our survival.

YX never attracted someone smart enough to stop the inevitable, and Hoeksema drove the place into the ground.

Your jobs are not dying on Nov. 3 and f9 is not pulling the plug. Hoeksema killed YX almost a decade ago.
 
Maybe if the mouse attemped to think of a plan that could neutralize the mousetrap instead of spending his time and energy whining to everybody else in hopes they'd drop everything they're doing and cater to his needs, the situation could have been avoided. But no, his first thought was "I have a problem that could cause me some trouble. Something needs to be done but I don't want to get my hands dirty doing it. I'll get someone else to do that."

So as a result, his inaction got everybody else killed and, ironically, saved his own life.
 
Are you guys honestly trying to accuse FAPA pilots of "rolling over" and "stepping over corpses"....

RAH just purchased F9, or they will purchase us in a week, and they have announced that several airbus will operate at MKE.

At what point in time has FAPA had any input regarding this decision?

You obviously have a lot to be upset about, but we are not the enemy. Your company began the "death march" in 2000 when TH announced "Destination 2004" and then failed to execute at every level.

Picking the 717 because it lent itself to the 2x2 seating, instead of the bus or 737, was the first step towards self-destruction. I was at the shareholders meeting after the 717 announcement and an investor asked TH "what was the plan for replacing the MD80 since the 717 couldn't make it to the west coast?". TH didn't have an answer. The same investor asked if Midwest could survive by flying a multi-type fleet and Hoeksema provided the following gem "we are confident that boeing will produce a dash 200 or 300 that will eventually reach the west coast". Timmy constantly leveraged the entire company's future on promises or technology that didn't even exist (Skyway ordering 328's because they were cheap and they wanted to purchase 428's and 728's, how did that work out?)We all know what happened. Boeing counted on 2500 orders, yet only 152 717's were actually sold before they canceled production.

Your company, like mine, has been misled and mismanaged by some pretty pathetic C-level morons.

Last year, we actually attracted a sharp fellow named Menke and he, with some assistance, worked a miracle. Several miracles outside of our control also contributed to our survival.

YX never attracted someone smart enough to stop the inevitable, and Hoeksema drove the place into the ground.

Your jobs are not dying on Nov. 3 and f9 is not pulling the plug. Hoeksema killed YX almost a decade ago.

So says the man flying for the company exiting bankruptcy......irony!
 
Could somebody please do something about how fat I am? It's too late to look for help after things have spiraled out of control.
 
Citationlover,

I get it. you guys got royally screwed. You are pissed at the world. But listen to yourself. You say that it would have been illegal for you to do anything but fly like normal until the day all of you were laid off. But you are saying it would be legal for the Frontier guys to take some sort of job action for you? The laws are never on the side of labor. It is a cruel reality.
 
Citationlover,

I get it. you guys got royally screwed. You are pissed at the world. But listen to yourself. You say that it would have been illegal for you to do anything but fly like normal until the day all of you were laid off. But you are saying it would be legal for the Frontier guys to take some sort of job action for you? The laws are never on the side of labor. It is a cruel reality.

Not at all. I would have fully supported a job action at Midwest, our senior pilots have never felt pain before and were too weak willed to do anything.

Illegal job action? Has the FAPA publicly stated anything about the Midwest pilots position? Have they publicly stated anything about the IBT stealing Midwest jobs? The EWR Continental LEC seems to have some balls calling out management swine, why can't the DEN FAPA?
 
Yeah, he vilifies the RAH group for the exact same actions. I guess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

You have already done this. Your new rates are whats to come. Don't be delirious into thinking you'll get anywhere close to jetBlue rates.

The rats known as RAH pilots have made their bed, don't cry when Bedford pees all over it.
 
We should retire all Midwest routes that have ever been flown just like we retired the "Great One's" jersey.
 
You have already done this. Your new rates are whats to come. Don't be delirious into thinking you'll get anywhere close to jetBlue rates.

The rats known as RAH pilots have made their bed, don't cry when Bedford pees all over it.

They'd cry about it, but nobody would hear them over you.
 
Stick together

We should retire all Midwest routes that have ever been flown just like we retired the "Great One's" jersey.

Cornelius, you have hit the nail on the head. We at Frontier should refuse to fly any Midwest routes. I am 100% sure that if we let the long distance destinations that have been slated for our Airbus sit idle while we fight for the Midwest pilots, that everything will work out fine. And I am just as sure that the pilots at Airtran and Southwest will do the same. They will all refuse to fly routes that used to be flown by Midwest pilots because we all stick together.

What was I thinking anyway?? I mean, I thought that preserving market share for whatever our new airline is called would be beneficial for the Midwest pilots so that there were ample airplanes and routes to return to once the integration is complete, how ever long that takes. One year? Three? Even though I will never vote for an SLI that doesnt give a fair shake to the YX pilots (despite what idiots like St. Dick have already foreseen in their crystal ball), I should stand back and watch MKE get sacked by Airtran and Southwest on principle. Hell, they might even name an elementary school after me for being so bold. The internet is obviously the idiots ally...
 
Wait a minute guys, you're getting off message. SWA is the bad guy *************************ing the eye socket of F9. Get back on message...

T
 
Not at all. I would have fully supported a job action at Midwest, our senior pilots have never felt pain before and were too weak willed to do anything.

Illegal job action? Has the FAPA publicly stated anything about the Midwest pilots position? Have they publicly stated anything about the IBT stealing Midwest jobs? The EWR Continental LEC seems to have some balls calling out management swine, why can't the DEN FAPA?


That in itself is your problem. You can't even get the support of your fellow pilots. Then, you come here blackballing RAH and F9 pilots. Why don't you yourself just do your own job action?

We all want to see Citation Lover's job action.
 

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