a little damage control

[airmonkey]

I wasn't recommended for the checkride after struggling a little through the 200 sim and then having brain lock during the mock PC. Its hard to swallow, I know I can learn, I'm a good pilot, had the flows down...just can't seem to master the sim.

I imagine its 99.9999% the end of my run here when I talk to the training dept on Monday. I'm ready to smack myself in the head with a hammer..soo close yet so far away.

Is this the end for me? Did anyone not make it through training and get hired by someone else? Any advice on staying in the game and giving it another shot?

 

[CFI2766]

Never give up. You got there, you can do it. Figure out what went wrong, fix it, move on. If this employer won't work with you, others will.

Small solace, I know, but never give up.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Keep your head up. This is far from the end of the road! It ain't over until you say it is.

Go the the training department meeting with a humble attitude and show you've still been studying. Ya never know, they may just give you another shot (especially if they are hard up for FO's).

If they do give you another go, try and relax a bit (hard to do, I know). What is going to be will be, and all you can do is give it your best shot. No matter what, the sun still rises tommorrow and other opportunities will present themselves. Do your best to succeed and let the chips fall where they may.

If the training folks say that is all, then the above advice still applies. Say "thanks for the chance" and walk out with your head high. You have 650 hours for goodness sakes... Less time than you will get in a year at the airline you WILL eventually work for. That isn't a whole heck of a lot of experience and if a tough lesson is going to happen in your career, better now then later down the road. Go find a job flying... Pretty much any job and network and gain experience and soon enough your chance will come (and you WILL be ready!).

Not making light of your predicament at all, but it isn't all bad necessarily.

 

[JetMonkey]

From one Monkey to another, shake it off. Consider yourself lucky you were even IN a 200 sim with your hours, let alone not getting through.
What happend to you has happen to countless of great aviators. It's part of what makes you better, that's how you learn, and you will learn and become better because of it. Don't take this wrong, you might not believe it now, but in a strange way that sim instructor probably did you a favor.

 

[N1VIBS]

what airline?

 

[ex j-41]

From what i hear is that if you have a good attitude you will have be given another chance.
A lot of really bright people have trouble in training, you have to dumb yourself down a lot of the time. There is just so much to learn and impossible to learn it all. Sometimes you end up studying the wrong stuff and just can't come up with the right stuff. Shake it off and keep at it. You weren't the first and you won't be the last.

 

[duck_killer]

No problem. Pull it together and move on. Dude I had a student land so hard on a Private checkride the DE wrote the plane up for a gear inspection. He took it like a man and passed the next week. Now hes flying for SKW.

 

[Rook]

Just remember to take your time and slow down when the Sh*t hits the fan. It's your checkride. Don't accept a clearance if you're not ready and don't rush yourself during an emergency/abnormal checklist. Lose the defeatist attitude and do your best.

 

[blott]

or you could try to get a job that matches your skill level at this point... not putting you down, maybe you just aren't ready yet.

B

 

[Skaff]

What he said, you have 650 hours. Go get a job that falls in line with your experience level. Go fly cargo.

 

[FlySacto]

No problem. Pull it together and move on. Dude I had a student land so hard on a Private checkride the DE wrote the plane up for a gear inspection. He took it like a man and passed the next week. Now hes flying for SKW.

He must have been my FO last week. Stuck the 3 wire and no bounce. FA's boobs fell half past her underwire bra. The pax relaxed and had a good laugh though at my aircraft carrier landing practice announcement during deplanning.

 

[OPECJet]

Even if the meeting doesn't go your way, chalk it up as a learning experience. During your next interview, put a positive spin on the experience. I think it will be little more than a speedbump.

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

What he said, you have 650 hours. Go get a job that falls in line with your experience level. Go fly cargo.

Uuuuuuhhh... The best place someone with this time belongs is in a 121 situation or flight instructing. Unless you're talking about a 2 pilot cargo operation. First off, 135 regs don't allow you to PIC your own aircraft until 1200 hours. Secondly, that is some of the most dangerous (and FUN, EXCITING, and QUALITY) time you'll ever spend in an aircraft.

As for the question-asker... Keep your head up, little gipper. This stuff is a beotch. It ain't easy coming off the street and passing the indoc, systems, and THEN they throw a plane in there as well... not easy. Just remember, this is going to happen to you for the rest of your career. Checkrides every 6 months, medicals (with the jelly-fingers and all) every 6 months, constant scrutiny, and stinky management EVERYWHERE! If this is REALLY where you wanna be, don't let a little washing-out get you down. Do more CPT flying and making those command decisions. You'll be alright. Otherwise, I'd reccomend another 200 hours of flight instructing with some REALLY BAD students where you really whip them into shape. That'll do it, plus you'll make more money than an FO and you'll have the holidays off!

Best of luck!

Shy

P.S. Where you at? Houston? STL?

 

[WalterSobchak]

FA's boobs fell half past her underwire bra.

Were they nice boobs?

 

[climbhappy]

accept the situation..you can't change what happened. now you must plan for the future.
i would get on airlineapps and keep sending them out. i would get a job flying something. the worst thing would be to just sit. get in something that's fast. i have a friend at Avant Air. A growing fractional like that could the stairladder back to glory and self confidence. you'd get the 900 hours, great experience, maybe become a captain there and have this whole thing figured out. i bet you'll look back and say it was the best thing that ever happened to you. pm me if you want to pursue it. we'll talk by phone on monday.

 

[landlover]

What he said, you have 650 hours. Go get a job that falls in line with your experience level. Go fly cargo.

as automted as a crj is i bet this guy would have more trouble with an old steam gauge machine.

 

[Big Foot]

Attitude is everything. They want you to finish they have already invested a lot of money in you. Come to the meeting with a good attitude. Good Luck.

 

[Volasl]

First of all be honest with yourself. Take responsibility for your actions and dont blame your partner or your instructor. A lot of people have trouble in the sim or need extra sessions. If you didnt get recommended more than likely you had alot of trouble not just a little. Use this as a learning experience and be humble. If you were having trouble with the sim , IOE would have been much worse. Apply again somewhere else or gain experience and try again. It wont be the end of the world if you own the problem. The answer to your next interview question should be...... Yes i had difficulty and I fully intend to do better if given a another shot. I will study even harder and work on the flows etc. You can turn this into a positive if you elect to. Good luck!!!!

 

[ttuite]

Over the years the biggest problem that I have seen in people having difficulty in the sim is fear. Fear of failure mostly. You have worked very hard and at a very rapid pace to get to where you are today. It all comes down to this. Your treating it like it is 4th down on the 1/2 yard line with 1 second on the clock in the Super Bowl. You are more than likely scared to fail. Well, you have now seen what it is like to fail. Yes, it is uncomfortable and embarrasing but not life threatening. YOU HAVE TO GET OVER YOUR FEAR OF FAILURE. If you know the flows and procedures, have even minimal flying skills and an attitude that you want to learn, then fear is your problem. Go to the meeting and tell them that. Tell them that you need some additional training and that in exchange for that you will someday be the best pilot and the best employee that they have. Good luck to you and I hope that this helps! PM me if you need to talk.

 

[twott driver]

What he said, you have 650 hours. Go get a job that falls in line with your experience level. Go fly cargo.

If you can't hack the sim, DO NOT go and fly cargo. You will kill yourself.

 

[V-1]

Sorry to hear about your failure. I doubt it's uncommon anymore with the level of experience the regionals are paying for. I wouldn't sweat it much, just sit down and visualize the procedures for various checkride events.

If it doesn't work out Monday, apply to Comair. Since they can only get five new-hires to show up for a scheduled class with eight slots, they're likely to take anyone.

Comair is spending thousands of extra dollars on training, rather than working to retain the experienced pilots they already have. You sound like the perfect candidate.

 

[Lolikoka]

Hang in there

I wasn't recommended for the checkride after struggling a little through the 200 sim and then having brain lock during the mock PC. Its hard to swallow, I know I can learn, I'm a good pilot, had the flows down...just can't seem to master the sim.

I imagine its 99.9999% the end of my run here when I talk to the training dept on Monday. I'm ready to smack myself in the head with a hammer..soo close yet so far away.

Is this the end for me? Did anyone not make it through training and get hired by someone else? Any advice on staying in the game and giving it another shot?

Which carrier? How many sims have you had so far? At ASA I have seen several newhire F/O's get extra sims, and have heard of others also. Some couldn't hack it and were sent packing; others brushed up with a new instructor and fly the line today without any problems.

Be humble and gladly accept any offers of assistance from the training department. The secret to a CRJ is TRIM TRIM TRIM whenever hand-flying. If your thumb isn't working the trim switch, something is wrong (except maybe in a steep turn - if it's trimmed right you probably won't need to do much in the turn). But on approaches, etc - TRIM. Of course the sim flies the "recommended" pitch and power setting really nicely - just trim out the pressure and relax.
Good luck.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

What he said, you have 650 hours. Go get a job that falls in line with your experience level. Go fly cargo.

stupid comment. just stupid. obviously you've never flown single pilot cargo. damn.

 

[airmonkey]

Heres what happened...they offered to put me on leave, pick up some additional training on my own, come back and take a PC after a warm up session.

I have no misconceptions that 650 hours isn't a great deal of experience and theres no way Ive ever thought cargo was a cakewalk. 1000 feet above the ground is 1000 feet above the ground whether you're in a light single putting along or shooting an approach down to mins in a widebody. Gravity doesnt discriminate.

I'm not out of the game by any means, just trying to look ahead for the next best step.

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

Relax and think of it as the coolest video game ever. Because that's what it is, no matter what anybody says, it's just a video game. Play by its rules and everything will fall into place.

 

[Lolikoka]

Good Luck

Heres what happened...they offered to put me on leave, pick up some additional training on my own, come back and take a PC after a warm up session.

I have no misconceptions that 650 hours isn't a great deal of experience and theres no way Ive ever thought cargo was a cakewalk. 1000 feet above the ground is 1000 feet above the ground whether you're in a light single putting along or shooting an approach down to mins in a widebody. Gravity doesnt discriminate.

I'm not out of the game by any means, just trying to look ahead for the next best step.

That's good news - go concentrate on attitude instrument flying, and remember that you CAN fly the sim and that you WILL get another shot after the approprite "check in the box" with additional training/experience. How long do you have to go on leave? Which carrier is this? Have you applied to ASA or Comair? Good luck.

 

[AWACO]

Maybe you should take this opportunity to find another career path, for multiple reasons. I hate this attitude everyone seems to have that anyone can do anything they want to if they just try, bull********************.

 

[JumpersAway]

I wasn't recommended for the checkride after struggling a little through the 200 sim and then having brain lock during the mock PC. Its hard to swallow, I know I can learn, I'm a good pilot, had the flows down...just can't seem to master the sim.

I imagine its 99.9999% the end of my run here when I talk to the training dept on Monday. I'm ready to smack myself in the head with a hammer..soo close yet so far away.

Is this the end for me? Did anyone not make it through training and get hired by someone else? Any advice on staying in the game and giving it another shot?

Hey man, everybody's had a go with the sim at one time or the other. Talk to someone who's been around a while- a LONG while. They'll tell you about a time or two they have left the sim after taking a beating.

Pick yourself up and talk to your training IP about it. See what you need/can do to get back on track. I know of a guy at my airline that was in sim four, and got bumped back to the beginning of sim 1, because he was struggling. If it were due to procedures (flows), I'd say it would be a different story. But if you at least know your flows, they know you've put in the effort, and I would imagine you'll get the help you need and they will work with you. Your attitude is EVERYTHING! Keep pluggin' away, you'll get it.

The best advice I can give is to take detailed notes durring a debrief and review the PROPER proceedures to correct your actions. Also, go in calm and relaxed. There is no hurry to do anything in an emergency. Rushing only makes it worse.

It's pretty funny actually, I had some pretty big problems in the sim and it was easy to correct. I had the sim from 12:00am to 4:00am. My thought was CAFFEIN- lots of coffee, coke, etc. I was so jumpy by the time I got in the thing it was rediculous. I was all over the place. After sim 3 the instructor made mention of my jumpiness, so I cut back on the cafination and went into the box nice and relaxed- almost comatose, actually. I smoothed right up and started kickin' tail. It's all about your attitude and willingness to persevere. You'll snag it, just relax and keep your head high! DON'T GIVE UP YET, and certainly don't be defeatist!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Here's a suggestion.

Since you've experienced the 121 training environment, maybe you should go spend 6K on one of those RJ certification courses they offer at ATP. This certificate coupled with your prior 121 exposure should do wonders for your ability fly the sim and pass the checkride at the next place that hires you.

You also may want to rehash ALL that went wrong and practice on your own chair flying or on a CPU-based simulator.

In this hiring environment, I don't think the game is over, especially since you went in with such little time. Most important thing is to be HONEST and take RESPONSIBILITY.

Good luck.

 

[lindsaya99]

Uuuuuuhhh... The best place someone with this time belongs is in a 121 situation or flight instructing.


You are kidding right? Someone with 650 hours "belongs" at an airline? Maybe in the back serving drinks.