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I assume you are in training at ASA. Just take them up on their offer, then come back and take the Check-Ride. Don't give up, you'll get there!

Chin up!
 
AWACO said:
Maybe you should take this opportunity to find another career path, for multiple reasons. I hate this attitude everyone seems to have that anyone can do anything they want to if they just try, bull********************.
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Another CAREER PATH? That's a little hasty doncha think man? I mean, even at 650 hrs TT he's invested a lot of time and $$ to just hang it up and go to culinary school or something! Don't get me wrong...I'm the last one you'll see defending the industry and what it's become...but it's a pretty freakin' good part time job once you climb the ladder a little ways! It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over now! And you can do anything you want to eventually if you have the right attitude, enough time, and aren't surrounded by people who are telling you to give up! (And for the original poster, everyone wants to know which airline so that they can give you better advice).
 
And dude, just so you know- there are people flying regional jets who don't belong in a 152 (women get many breaks in life). So, the moral of the story is do not- absolutely do not give up and take their offer ASAP!
 
[It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over now! And you can do .


You might want to check the history book on this one!!!
 
I'm guessing she's being funny... I had a chuckle. That's a movie line isn't it? Animal House maybe?
 
ShyFlyGuy said:
Uuuuuuhhh... The best place someone with this time belongs is in a 121 situation or flight instructing. Unless you're talking about a 2 pilot cargo operation. First off, 135 regs don't allow you to PIC your own aircraft until 1200 hours. Secondly, that is some of the most dangerous (and FUN, EXCITING, and QUALITY) time you'll ever spend in an aircraft.
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My thoughts exactly. You can get in the right seat of an Ameriflight Brasillia or Western Air Metro with those hours, but no 135 pic unless you're VFR only.

Low time opportunity is a double edged sword. I see guys getting ice on their wings for the first time with 4 stripes on their shoulders, they lose airspeed, work themselves into a corner, etc. In the end, they learn to deal with it real quick, but it would have been easier to learn it from the right seat with an experienced captain.

I speak from personal experience on this one. I got into the left seat of a turboprop with just over 1200 hours, and without that right seat time I would have been in over my head even more than I already was.

As far as the washout goes, count it as experience, keep working at it. There's currently no shortage of opportunities.
 
For the record, in my CRJ newhire class most got extra sims, including folks with jet, mil and 121 time. Those who didn't need them were mostly prior 121/glass/FMS. In my upgrade class, half of us got a type bust either oral or ride, and a couple didn't make it at all. A whole hell of a lot more of us than you think have had horrible sim days and event busts, it just isn't discussed much. Absolutely positively not something to be ashamed of.

I did single pilot freight before and I can attest your primary objective is to get out of that with nothing more than a bunch of freightdog stories...many don't. Still the best flying experience I've ever seen.
 
aerobato said:
Go flight instruct for a while.
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It's a waste of time......."attitude, heading, watch your speed"....."heading" "altitude"......"watch your speed"...."where ya going"....."attitude, heading, watch your speed".......

Flight instructing isn't practical for prepping the kid for a jet, in my opinion.

I'd agree that the ATP jet course would be a bonafied help. I think one of them even offers ASA or Comair curiculum. Sheesh, you may even be able to BUY the time- It's about 400 an hour at Flight Safety, I think.
 
bigboeings said:
[It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over now! And you can do .


You might want to check the history book on this one!!!
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Sorry dude...I thought every pilot in the world knew that one! John Belushi's character in Animal House...trying to bring a little humor into the situation...
 
fly4surf said:
Didn't touch a jet till over 4500 hrs.

Go have some fun and 'learn' how to fly.
Meant with NO disrespect.
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Different landscape these days.

See, the problem is that the regionals are offering the low timer an incredible window of opportunity to fly a jet. This WILL Change in the next 3 years. Traditionally,turbine aircraft were always perceived to be reserved for those who've "arrived." No such thing now. With places advertising mins. with COMM/MEL/IFR, a race begins to jump at the opportunity. No longer is it their desire to enjoy the pleasures of piloting an ordinary piston plane.

These rush-into-an-RJ types are many times in it for the glamour of being an airline pilot. Gone are the days of airmanship. That went away with the advent of improved technology.

Maybe I'm going too far, but the modern day pilot is just another worker following rules and regulations for pay not comensurate with the responsibility. You are just a cog. Not the respected seasoned captain of years past.

Aviation and the airline business has evolved over a short 100 or so years. Status quo will continue to change.

It's this GD short term mentailty that is drving this country into a SHEET hole.
 
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Seriously, I want out of this country sometimes. But Ive spent extendedtime in various locales, but always still crave my hometown of NYC. Creature of habit I guess. And sitting in a hotel room or a terminal can drive you insane.

Okay, time to crack open another Stella.

Later skater.
 
Hours are no indicator of performance in training. It all depends on the individual. I shared the sim during my upgrade with a pilot who only had 250 hours tt and multi time measured in the teens. He did a fantastic job. Granted it was just a Dash 8... For those of you who really believe that a turboprop is so much easier than an RJ.

Then again I have flown with other new FO's with similiar time who, well, need a little more help. The thing is that those with a good attitude nearly always catch up eventually and do a fine job.

I do think, however, that those with substantial CFI experience or freight time are way ahead of the game.
 
I was dining out with a crew the other night, and I swear they had no idea how to use a fork and knife. I felt like I was dining with homeless people at a soup kitchen.

So, If you can utilise tableware with aplomb and good manner, I say you can be an airline pilot.
 
bigboeings said:
[It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over now! And you can do .


You might want to check the history book on this one!!!
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You're a dumass, even if you don't know the line from the movie, I think you should have caught it was a joke
 
bigboeings said:
[It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over now! And you can do .


You might want to check the history book on this one!!!
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Not understanding the origin of that line is an automatic two-week suspension of your man card.

Being "owned" by a chick doubles that time.

Sorry, but those are the rules. Turn it in.
 
No offense to anyone but to get 650 hr pilots through training these frickin' tightwad regionals are going to have to start prying the wallet open....completely revising syllabi and adding SEVERAL more sims/CPT sessions. That's just the way it's gonna have to be. This kind of experience level (CFIs with minimal experience) is becoming the norm rather than the exception.
 
The world needs ditchdiggers too.
 
airmonkey said:
I wasn't recommended for the checkride after struggling a little through the 200 sim and then having brain lock during the mock PC. Its hard to swallow, I know I can learn, I'm a good pilot, had the flows down...just can't seem to master the sim.

I imagine its 99.9999% the end of my run here when I talk to the training dept on Monday. I'm ready to smack myself in the head with a hammer..soo close yet so far away.

Is this the end for me? Did anyone not make it through training and get hired by someone else? Any advice on staying in the game and giving it another shot?
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Dude, check your PM's.
 
Granted it was just a Dash 8... For those of you who really believe that a turboprop is so much easier than an RJ.
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The only people who believe a turboprop is easier than a jet are those who have never flown a turboprop - which I guess is most regional airline pilots these days.
 
NEDude said:
The only people who believe a turboprop is easier than a jet are those who have never flown a turboprop - which I guess is most regional airline pilots these days.
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Them prop jobs got 4 more levers on em, right??? Props and mixtures, right?:D

Thats, like, triple the lever workload in a jet. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much work. ;)
 
BoilerUP said:
Them prop jobs got 4 more levers on em, right??? Props and mixtures, right?:D

Thats, like, triple the lever workload in a jet. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much work. ;)
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Cmon man, do you know how hard you have to pedal to make one of those turboprops go fast?

It's a ton of work!
 

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