767 drivers... here's a rare pic

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looks like the Hydraulic panel as well as the pneumatics and the APU panel is there as well.. wonder what it looks like over the FO's head? Must have been an easy job!
 

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looks like the Hydraulic panel as well as the pneumatics and the APU panel is there as well.. wonder what it looks like over the FO's head? Must have been an easy job!

Easy job? Who, the FO or the FE? :)
 

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Both! The CA is clearly the busiest sucker in that cockpit...
 

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That is what I love about the 757/767. I flip three or four switches and the old fart does the rest.
 

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Yes, a few 767s DID have an F/E panel.

Ansett Airlines (Australia) first 767s had to have an F/E per their union. That's what I call good leverage!

http://webpages.charter.net/flyian/757-767/fe.htm

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Interesting historical bit... I would beg to differ about leverage. They went under years ago, so all the supposed leverage in this case is and was worthless. Leverage by our unions is needed, but too much of it can also be very bad. I am sure I don't need to cite all the historical references or 'Hard Landing'...
 

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It looks like almost everything from the overhead panel is on there. However, some of the stuff from the current P61 panel are not. It also looks like the TMC panel is there too.

BTW, the 767 was designed to use all round dials as an option. New fangled glass cockpits and all.
 

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That is what I love about the 757/767. I flip three or four switches and the old fart does the rest.


What airline do you fly it for? At CAL, the FO does just about everything on the overhead and the CA does nothing.
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What airline do you fly it for? At CAL, the FO does just about everything on the overhead and the CA does nothing.
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At Delta all we touch is the pneumatics, engines and APU. However, the PM does the preflight stuff on the panel.
 

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At CAL, we touch everything, and I mean the whole panel. Doesn't matter whose leg it is, the FO does the entire overhead. Then comes the before start checklist where the fo again throws every switch on the overhead. The after start goes the same as well as the parking check where again, the fo is all over the overhead actually having to lean over the CA's head to shut off the hydraulics. The CA does touch the seatbelt sign when he is PM and pushes the sterile light and makes the bells going through 10,000......

Isn't it funny how the same plane can be flown so differently from airline to airline? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy doing the work. It keeps me from getting bored. It's just the domestic 757-300 stuff where I'm doing it all and answering the cabin calls, working the air systems, making the pa's on a 35 minute flight from IAH to SAT where it starts to get tedious....

War Eagle BTW
 

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At CAL, we touch everything, and I mean the whole panel.................. It's just the domestic 757-300 stuff where I'm doing it all and answering the cabin calls, working the air systems, making the pa's on a 35 minute flight from IAH to SAT where it starts to get tedious....

War Eagle BTW
Sounds similar to TWA where the F/O was being prepared to upgrade. The pilot flying made all the PA's.

We were amazed at AA, they don't trust the F/O to do anything. The Capt makes all PA's on all legs including the "Flight Attendants, Prepare for T/O" as he's taxing the aircraft. Every other airline in the world probably has the F/O make that PA!
 

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PM-Pilot Monitoring? Y'all have already decided that before you sit down in the cockpit?

Typically yes. The first leg of the trip if I beat the CA to the gate I assume that he/she/it is gonna start out as PF. If we decide otherwise, just flip the ignition switch to 2...
 

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Isn't it funny how the same plane can be flown so differently from airline to airline?
That is true, at ANA the PNF does the cockpit preparation including the overhead panel. The PF (Cap/FO) does the walkaround and the cabin crew briefing. The hydraulic panel is set by the cap. on every leg, the darned thing is right over my head anyway
 

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Wow. Pretty cool pic. Looks like the entire overhead has been moved to the P61 panel. I would like to see the overhead panel on that airplane. I guess Cargo Heat, Window Heat, IRS's, and HF radios would be about it.
 

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Sound's kinda like the old 72' and L10 day's I always hear about for the FO's. "Pitot heat, window heat, let's eat!" Just in this case.. "cargo heat, window heat, let's eat!"
 

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Sounds similar to TWA where the F/O was being prepared to upgrade. The pilot flying made all the PA's.

We were amazed at AA, they don't trust the F/O to do anything. The Capt makes all PA's on all legs including the "Flight Attendants, Prepare for T/O" as he's taxing the aircraft. Every other airline in the world probably has the F/O make that PA!
While what you say about PAs is true at AA, that bit about not trusting F/Os is nonsense. The F/O preflights the entire panel on EVERY leg. The F/O runs the whole before start/after start/taxi/before TO checklists. Our F/Os are pretty busy.

The only thing the CA does is start the engines (well, they flip the engine start selectors, the F/O actually engages the fuel control switches) and taxi.

The whole PA issue at AA has always eluded me. I've come to figure out that it's simply ancestral worship. At my old airline, it was in our manuals that as PNF, we were responsible for PAs. AA has no such rule. As such, when a CA asks an F/O to make a PA, the standard answer is, "I don't get paid enough to do that." tongue in cheek, of course. It's just not part of our policy. Kinda nice, really - it makes being an F/O that much easier, one less thing to have to screw up, ya know?

As far as cabin notification PA on taxi out, I agree - it should be an F/O duty.
 
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