717's at Delta

[rjfo]

So you're saying there's a chance...Sounds like better odds than getting hired off the street at Southwest; there were 14k apps for the 150 they hired last year. What about Fedex, UPS...reading your post it sounds like anything would be preferrable to the jerks over at SWA. Or maybe not...

 

[GogglesPisano]

The 717's are not DC9 replacements, they are CRJ-200 replacements, ie:they are growth aircraft.

The 35 MD90's we are receiving over the next 2 years are the DC9 replacements.

The 100 737-900ER's we are taking delivery of over the next three years are replacements for the oldest 757's, 320's and the domestic 767's.

There may be a lawsuit or two initiated by Air Tran pilots who would like to come with the aircraft. That's to be expected. But, our SVP of Flight Ops has publicly stated and without equivocation that these aircraft would not come with pilots.

Further, the 717's are being leased to Delta directly from Boeing.

 

[General Lee]

So general, what do you think about AT defending their fragmentation clause?
I'm sure you'd rather hire off the street, but if it's in their contract...
Looks more like a reality you have-
How do those 717's get you to a 73 upgrade?

They can try it if they want, but it sounds like the language is clear, and I have a feeling mountains of lawyers have poured over this. Our VP stated unequivocly that NO other pilots would come with the planes. We are also getting MD90s from China and Japan. Will their pilots come along too? I doubt it.

I can hold junior NYC 737 Captain now in New York, and if there are some early out retirements or guys in New York that want to go back to Atlanta, I may slide right in. I'd commute for a $70 an hour raise.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jonjuan]

With 30,000 applicants for maybe 1,000 spots in the next few years, easier said than done.

Just wear your "We Are ALPA" pin to the interview. You'll be a shoe-in. imp:

 

[Cometman]

The 717's are not DC9 replacements, they are CRJ-200 replacements, ie:they are growth aircraft.

The 35 MD90's we are receiving over the next 2 years are the DC9 replacements.

The 100 737-900ER's we are taking delivery of over the next three years are replacements for the oldest 757's, 320's and the domestic 767's.

There may be a lawsuit or two initiated by Air Tran pilots who would like to come with the aircraft. That's to be expected. But, our SVP of Flight Ops has publicly stated and without equivocation that these aircraft would not come with pilots.

Further, the 717's are being leased to Delta directly from Boeing.

I think Lear 70 said they re being sub-leased to Delta from SWA. So, who is correct?

 

[GogglesPisano]

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I think Lear 70 said they re being sub-leased to Delta from SWA. So, who is correct?

My information is from DALPA FAQ sheets.

 

[Cometman]

My information is from DALPA FAQ sheets.

You are probably correct. Lear70 and PCL are both dreaming and think they will get money from SWA. They got what they deserve already and they need to move on with their life. That is if they have one.

 

[27 driver]

You are probably correct. Lear70 and PCL are both dreaming and think they will get money from SWA. They got what they deserve already and they need to move on with their life. That is if they have one.

I think both LEAR and PCL have stated that we can't force DAL to honor our contract. It is not with DAL. What they are saying is there might be a grievance with LUV management as they will be in violation if the fragmentation language is triggered. I don't think any sane person thinks any pilots will go with the 717's.

 

[dicko]

but if it's in their contract...

From a SWA pilot ? That's like getting child minding tips from Jerry Sandusky.

 

[malibuVride]

I'm sure you'll find many different answers, but I know a lot of us would very much like an opportunity to go to DAL. I'd rather be stapled at DAL than keep my 90% number at SWA, in fact. Upgrade time would be cut almost in half, career earnings would be higher, and I could still be based at home in Atlanta.

Agreed 110%! maybe there's a chance we could go over that way if we desire. It's not the way I'd wish for, but it sure beats this deal with SWA!!

 

[waveflyer]

Im not sure, but I think Delta has hired 5-600 people. (in 08 and 10)

Steve Dickson (Senior VP flt ops) addressed this scenario last week and made a clear promise to us that the Airtrain pilots would NOT be coming with the planes.

This would be a double nightmare for us on the list (if they came) considering the 717s are our carrot for letting DCI get 70 more 76 seaters.

If we were to just take the 717s without giving up the 76 seaters, I think we'd be far more welcoming to the Airtrain people joining us.

I've got a question though. What exact career damage to the Airtran people does the 717 going away do? All that lift will be replaced by the 737 order right? I'm not familiar with the details of your SLI.

Unbelievable you guys are considering this.

Like I said, a double sellout then- not only are you selling out - new FLEET of -900's that could mean hundreds of new mainline jobs, you're just working around another ALPA carriers fragmentation language. Wonder how all those ex-eastern guys there feel about that?

 

[waveflyer]

With 30,000 applicants for maybe 1,000 spots in the next few years, easier said than done.

God forbid you earn a top tier job through the front door, competition and all. Delta's no more desirable to new applicants than swa, which is why seniority at swa is more valuable than seniority at AT. It's a tougher job to get. Funny how you acknowledge that with ALPA delta, but not swa. Once a hater, always...

 

[waveflyer]

Agreed 110%! maybe there's a chance we could go over that way if we desire. It's not the way I'd wish for, but it sure beats this deal with SWA!!

If you don't want to be at swa, then I hope for it too.

What I'd love to see is the exact wording of your fragmentation clause. The devil's in the details.

 

[Lear70]

My information is from DALPA FAQ sheets.

I'm prevented from disclosing my source by a confidentiality agreement.

That said, we'll see in about 10 days when the actual agreement is made public. Until then, we wait...

 

[PCL_128]

So you're saying there's a chance...Sounds like better odds than getting hired off the street at Southwest; there were 14k apps for the 150 they hired last year. What about Fedex, UPS...reading your post it sounds like anything would be preferrable to the jerks over at SWA. Or maybe not...

Well, not anything. I still need to pay my bills, you know. But yes, my application will be in at Delta, FedEx, UPS, and United/Continental if they get their CBA done in the next few months.