70 buck a barrel oil matched by rising airfares...talk of rationing.

[djsk]

guys, its all about POPULATION CONTROL, 2.1 Kids per family. Yeah, I'm yelling. Its not that the soccer mom should be driving a more fuel efficient car, its that she had too many damn kids. I've studied environmental stuff for a few years, blah blah, plug it into any model, 2.1 kids per family means little energy worries as technology improves, and even things such as recycling, turning off the TV, etc... aren't such a big deal.

Energy needs would still grow, but be offset by minimal gains in technology. Europe isn't growing that fast, hopefully our country will slow down as well.

We're also talking about PEAK LIGHT SWEET CRUDE, NOT PEAK OIL/ENERGY. Crappier oil exists and can be refined, coal could be refined, E85 cars/gas stations exist, Compressed natural gas cars/buses/gas stations exist, hydrogen (made from sea water/nuclear power ideally) is right around the corner. Turbine engines will burn anything short of urine (especially a PT6), and they smell like french fries when burning almost pure soybean oil (seen it). And just like we still get leaded gas, we'll be the last with dips on good ole light sweet crude/Jet-A.

There's considerations and costs (double, triple tops), but no need to build a bunker just yet. And next time you see a large family call them ignorant rabbits, because we'll run out of stuff sooner or later, fresh water, oil, gold, global warming, it'll be something sooner or later. Least I'm concerned about is light sweet crude.

 

[Icelandair]

Luckily there was a study that found that liberals are much less likely to have children, and if environmentalist wackos believe this overpopulation thing than it will be good news that they won't have any kids either. The problem of liberalism will simply breed itself out of existance in a few decades! Americans need to have MORE kids because every illegal alien that comes here and every woman in a turd world country has 10 kids, so if we want to exist as a nation in the future European and American women are going to have to stop going out and "girls just want to have fun" and take up motherhood.

 

[whaleroast]

Trivia: The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was actually a political allegory of these times. The yellow brick road and the wizard of Oz (short for ounce) were references to the Gold Standard. Dorthy’s slippers, which were her salvation were the Silver Standard (the slippers were silver in the original, not ruby) The wicked Witch of the East represented east coast industrialists. The Cowardly Lion was Bryan.




Having recall votes is a bad thing? Sounds to me like a much needed tool to help politicians remember who they are working for.




Actually, rising oil prices back then were a result of Rockfeller’s Standard Oil Trust, which was one of the events which lead to US anti trust legislation.




Huhhhhh????!!!! The guy who shot McKinley was an avowed Anarchist, which is at the opposite extreme from Populists who favor governmental controls on everything. Before becoming an Anarchist, he was registered as a Republican (McKinley was a Republican) You're just making this cr@p up, aren't you?




WTF???!!!!!????!!! What we delivered to those places was dictatorship and tyranny. You ever read the political history of Cuba? From the end of the Spanish American war it was one dictator after another, Right up to the current day. The only real change has been when Castro replaced US hegemony with Soviet hegemony. Sorry, when you look at the leaders the US has supported, and in many cases had a hand in installing by cover or overt means, there is very little of which to be proud.



OK, you really don’t have any idea what happened to the airlines back then, do you? Whether or one believes that the events of the late 70’s destroyed the airline industry, the facts remain ; That was deregulation, not government intervention, but a withdrawal of government intervention. First you start out by complaining about populists favoring government control of transportation, they you say that the airlines were destroyed by deregulation, but you attempt to portray Deregulation as "government intervention" Good or bad, like it or not, the skies ar a lot less "government controlled" than they were in say, 1970. Isn’t that what you wanted?

Yeah, I was pretty wasted when I wrote all that. Somewhere in all of that I was trying to say that bleeding hearts will destroy this nation.

 

[A Squared]

Yeah, I was pretty wasted when I wrote all that. Somewhere in all of that I was trying to say that bleeding hearts will destroy this nation.

Ahhhh, OK, I feel better knowing you were drunk, not stupid

 

[whaleroast]

Ahhhh, OK, I feel better knowing you were drunk, not stupid

Ouch, that's cruel. Luckily I'm drunk again tonight, so the pain is only temporary.

 

[jetflyer]

Danger,
Irony again: I was coming over here to post that article and you beat me to it. I was going to add one of my infamous LINKS

I have to make this post quick because I have to go to work shortly again.

I think that will like oil be the main reason for a rise, but also the future overdue decline of the dollar.

I happen to think overpopulation is also a problem, when it comes to the amount of natural resources we have on this planet.

6.5 Billion people is a lot of people.
China has about 1.3 billion?
China has more people UNDER 14 than the U.S. has total population

Just wait till those kids wanna drive cars. That will send the prices up more.

I personally think from peak oil we'll just see a series of recessions more than a depression.

Who knows though? It's going to depend on how quickly we can ramp up coal to oil really. That will be the immediate savior for us in the U.S. We're just starting our first plant and it will take 2 years. We need to be starting 100 of em or more. I guess the price of oil has to go to $200.00 per barrel before people realize the price of oil isn't going back to $40.00. Oh well.

China's Hu is meeting Bush in a couple days and I bet oil will be one of the biggest discussions as well as Iran.

China and Russia back Iran. So does Venezuela. Not good when we are going to rely on Venezuela for oil in the future and Russia for natural gas.

We can't invade and take em all over!! Or can we

We need to learn to work with China to make them more energy conservative as well as us. Plus we need to jointly work together to move to other alternatives.

War with China over natural resources wouldn't be fun and that is my future biggest worry.

Take care,
Jet

 

[jetflyer]

Hey I have to add one link. I don't feel complete leaving to work without adding this.

Read this about the cooked books on inflation by the government and a case for Hyperinflation like what happened to Germany after WWI happening to the U.S.

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/2005/0624.html

This is from the article written by Jim Puplava:

TEN REASONS FOR HYPERINFLATION

1. Global oil production will peak between 2005-2008. Economic growth ceases to exist as global economies and markets are thrown into chaos and turmoil.
2. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]The War on Terror escalates into a resource war over oil pitting the great powers the US, China, and Russia in a replay of “The Great Game.”

1. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]Debt creation and monetization hyperinflates as the government’s deficit spirals out of control with a war and a depression.[/FONT]
2. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]Foreigners begin to bail out of the dollar setting off a dollar crash.[/FONT]
3. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]The US puts in place capital controls to corral US and domestic money. The War on Terror will be given as the reason.[/FONT]
4. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]The government takes over GSEs owning most American mortgages.[/FONT]
5. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]A national mortgage bailout bill is passed lengthening mortgage payments in an effort to forestall debt defaults. A new restructuring agency will be set up to repurchase impaired mortgages from the banking system and renegotiate terms of the debt to avoid default. The 100-year mortgage is born.[/FONT]
6. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]A national retirement security act is passed forcing private pensions to buy long-dated zero-coupon government bonds that will be inflated away. The reason given will be for plan protection against bear markets.[/FONT]
7. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]As the US economy goes into a hyperinflationary depression the rest of the world’s economies follow suit. Money printing on a grand scale occurs in western and Asian economies as governments wrestle and try to satisfy the demands of a social welfare state and an angry, aging populace.[/FONT]
8. [FONT=arial,helvetica,verdana]As governments hyperinflate and debase their currencies, gold will take on its true role as money rising in value against all currencies. The world will move towards a global currency backed by gold.[/FONT]

1. ~

His solution to save your money: Precious metals and commodities...

Take care,
Jet[/FONT]

 

[mcjohn]

This thread wins the award for making me feel completey f--king retarded. I need to go get a graduate degree just hang with you guys!

 

[FN FAL]

The bottom line is that I am a car lover and refuse to give up my V-8 engines so that I can putz around in a Toyota Prius.

You can putz around in your v-8, just don't make the whambalance sound at the gas pump at fill up time.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Funny that the word "Putz" keeps coming up.

Coincidence?

CE

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I just had a brilliant idea how the federal gov't can save money.

Let's invade Iran. Obviously, we'll need a lot of extra fuel, what with all our global commitmants, plus the extra fuel we already use in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Where can we get the extra fuel?

Iran, of course, since they are the #2 producer. Since we'll be buying a lot of us, I'm sure we can negotiate a deal for a great bulk rate. We'll save a bundle on the invasion!

Cliff
HSV

 

[FN FAL]

I just had a brilliant idea how the federal gov't can save money.

What is the federal government saving up money for? For when we sue them to pay us back for the cost of the War on Drugs?

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

If you want the Gov't to have extra $ :

1. Make marajuana legal (under gov't supervision)
2. Tax the hell out of it.
3. National debit eliminated in 3....2....1....now

Boulder, CO alone will pay for the war on drugs, terrorism in about 3 weeks!

Right wingers will support it 'cause it taxes hippies.
Hippies will support it 'cause they can have a 'real' job.
Hostess Co. stock will increase by 1000%

CE

(just sayin')

 

[Dangerkitty]

If you want the Gov't to have extra $ :

1. Make marajuana legal (under gov't supervision)
2. Tax the hell out of it.
3. National debit eliminated in 3....2....1....now

Boulder, CO alone will pay for the war on drugs, terrorism in about 3 weeks!

Right wingers will support it 'cause it taxes hippies.
Hippies will support it 'cause they can have a 'real' job.
Hostess Co. stock will increase by 1000%

CE

(just sayin')

That's one of the funniest posts I have ever read on Flightinfo.

 

[mcjohn]

Boulder, CO my ass! You havn't been to Asheville have you? You can't get elected as mayor here unless you love pot and hippies! Last mayor was an outspoken lesbian hippie. Serious.