70 buck a barrel oil matched by rising airfares...talk of rationing.

[jetflyer]

The peak oil crazies think they're on a mission to help save the world from hard times, but really they're just scaring people.

The peak oil crazies think they're going to help bring upon a lot more investment and a MANHATTAN project on renewable energy sources, but really they're just scaring people.

I wish these peak oil crazies that think they're going to help save AMERICA, would just shut up and leave us alone. Times are good now. I don't want to know that they're going to change because I have an American Idol episode to watch tonight. I don't have time for the peak oil crazies' prophecies.

Anyways oil is created in the center of the earth, and we'll never run out. Duhhh.

Jet

 

[jetflyer]

Here are some points I have to make about some of these peak oil crazies.

Robert Hirsch of the U.S. government DOE is just a scaremongering crazy predicting that it will take 20 years of intense effort before peak oil to avoid extreme economic hardship. Then he goes on to say that many experts are predicting a near term peak oil!! That would mean I might get a pay cut!! What a crazy retard...
Did you see the Report the DOE came up with under his lead about Peak Oil and how it is going to be the hardest problem Man has ever faced???:
http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf
The DOE is saying we may have like, dude, like a recession or something..... No way it's the new economy!
Here is the speech he gave to CONGRESS on that report:
http://www.tomudall.house.gov/pdf/PeakOilHearingHirschtestimony120705.pdf
What a nutjob telling CONGRESS that PEAK OIL will be the hardest thing that man has ever faced! He obvoiusly hasn't seen my wife when she's mad. I think she could rival this fake peak oil thing!

T.Boone Pickens is just trying to run up the price when he says we're about at peak oil now.
China's CNOOC executive's prediction of 2012 as a peak oil date, is just crazy.
Iranian oil expert Bakhitari's prediction of 2007 as peak oil date is even more crazy.
Matthew Simmons who is a buddy of Bush and Cheney predicting a 2008 peak is just idiotic.

David Goodstein, Caltech Vice provost is just a lunatic predicting Peak Oil before 2010 and these crazies would say the site below written by him is the best EXPLANATION and INTRODUCTION TO PEAK OIL:
http://www.yubanet.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/8/15426

I'm learning I shouldn't listen to the crazies anymore, and I should listen to educated people like some on these boards, that know it all. Why wasn't I listening to you educated, omniscient people earlier???!!! I feel so much better now!!

I've seen the light and it's bright! I'm going out to buy new matching Hummers for me and my wife now, since the oil party will never end!!:beer: Bottoms UP!!

Jet

 

[sleddriver71]

You may be right, I don't know. I don't know why you say duhhh. Maybe you're right but your "theory" isn't the only one out there. I asked you three questions about this theory but all you can do is take what I said and asked as a personal attack. Now I know how you feel about these "peak oil crazies" although I could really care less. You seem to be pretty sure about abiotic oil, that's great. You tell me to do a research, that tells me you can't answer the questions I asked. That's fine, but don't get an attitude with me for questioning a theory that isn't exactly mainstream.

 

[jetflyer]

This so called expert from the U.S. govt. Dept of Energy Robert Hirsch seems like the biggest crazy of all.

He's talking about his findings from research he and a team did on Peak Oil. Here is where the U.S. govt. DOE study on Peak Oil can be found:
http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf

SPEECH TO CONGRESS: TESTIMONY ON PEAK OIL
Dr. ROBERT L. HIRSCH, SENIOR ENERGY PROGRAM ADVISOR, SAIC. BEFORE THE HOUSE SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND AIR QUALITY
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 7, 2005.http://www.tomudall.house.gov/pdf/PeakOilHearingHirschtestimony120705.pdf

This NUTJOB from the U.S. GOVT. DEPT. OF ENERGY gave the above speech to CONGRESS!! Read some of the wacky, out there comments he told CONGRESS about PEAK OIL:

The results were startling: Unless a mitigation crash program is started 20 years before peaking occurs, the economic consequences will be dire.

The world has never confronted a problem like peak oil.

The concept of the peaking of world oil production follows from the fact that the output of an individual oil field rises after discovery, reaches a peak, and then declines.

If mitigation is too little, too late, world supply/demand balance will have to be achieved through massive demand destruction and shortages, which would translate to extreme economic hardship. On the other hand, with timely mitigation, economic damage can be minimized.

This Moron thinks we need to get off oil to avoid economic hardship. Bologna. Keep burning it boys. It will never run out!

Chinese officials have forecast the peaking of world oil production around the year 2012.

Previous energy transitions (wood to coal, coal to oil, etc.) were gradual and evolutionary; oil peaking will be abrupt and revolutionary.

This moron is trying to warn us of an IMAGINARY EVENT. PEAK OIL WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!

Jet

 

[jetflyer]

I almost forgot to mention this Peak Oil crazy Politician. We all know politicians lie!! He's been trying to get congress to start implementing a MANHATTAN PROJECT on ENERGY to reduce our usage of oil. He's a very passionate CRAZY
Roscoe Bartlett, Republican Congressman from Maryland gave this speech to Congress, broadcast on C-SPAN on July 19, 2005 about COMING OIL SUPPLY PROBLEMS(PEAK OIL).
Here is the transcript.:
http://www.xecu.net/thorn/PO/PO-July19-2005.html

April 19th Bartlett gave this speech to congress. This would be a good speech to read if you believed this crazy!,
http://www.bartlett.house.gov/SupportingFiles/documents/energyspeech.pdf

Roscoe Bartlett met with Bush about Peak Oil on June 29th. So Bush, no doubt knows about what these crazies are saying about potential oil supply problems. Here is the press release:
http://www.bartlett.house.gov/latestnews.asp?ARTICLE2900=7308

Sorry those are old speeches by this crazy guy. I don't have any links to the many new crazy prophecies he's been giving congress. He's been speaking to them a lot about this BUNK PEAK OIL THING.

Can you believe they made this crazy guy a politician? Maybe it shouldn't be a surprise!

Jet

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

if I Type Reallly Big, Then I Must Be Correct!!!!!

Lots Of Links And Inflamatory Remarks
Also Make Me Right

Ce

 

[jetflyer]

I KNOW PEAK OIL IS FAKE. IT'S TRUE BECAUSE I TYPE BIG AND HAVE A LOT OF LINKS!

PEAK OIL IS FAKE.

OIL IS CREATED IN THE CENTER OF THE EARTH!

Jet

 

[Icelandair]

The fat cat station owners are going to keep gouging us at the gas pumps. I hate these gas prices.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

It's not the JUST the Arabs, it's not JUST the oil companies, it's not JUST
American policy, it's not JUST station owners and it's not JUST H2 drivers.

It's also NOT an oil crisis. It is an ENERGY crisis. Oil is a problem, but it is
one of MANY problem that need to be dealt with.

Drilled oil is becoming more expensive to extract, PERIOD. The easy oil is gone. But that does NOT mean a Mad Max typ of future. It means that alternatives become ecnomically viable. (insert lecture about flexi-fuel,
bio-diesel, and electrical cars)

Now the difficult part.
1. Av-Gas is a dying breed. At last check, there is only ONE refinery producing 100LL. Most piston engines can be converted to MoGas relatively
easily. Higher performance piston engines are basically screwd. That is why
the Eclipse type airplanes and the new prototype mini turboprop engines are
great for the Gen-Av sector.

2. Alternative fuels for turbines are difficult to certify and implement due to
laws, liability, and infrastructure. That is why turbines, particuarly vunerable
to any change in price and availability.

Want to stick your head in the sand? fine by me. It was time to change our
energy system during the 1970's fuel crisies. I have backup plans to low,
medium, and high level interuptions.

Cheers.

CE

 

[inline]

All this while W's buddies pocket record profits..But hey go ahead and buy that nice Hummer or Tahoe you get that employee discount with it.After all, we gotta support the economy.

Oh yeah. It's all Bush's fault. Part of the reason for high gas prices is the fact that a refinery hasn't been built in the U.S. in over 30 years, thanks to tree hugging democrats. Also, India and China are competing for energy resources.

 

[FN FAL]

The fat cat station owners are going to keep gouging us at the gas pumps. I hate these gas prices.

Have you ever thought of pumping Ethel, the gas station owner's daughter? That'll teach him/her.

 

[jetflyer]

It's also NOT an oil crisis. It is an ENERGY crisis. Oil is a problem, but it is
one of MANY problem that need to be dealt with.

Drilled oil is becoming more expensive to extract, PERIOD. The easy oil is gone.

It's guys like you that make me happy. You've got it all figured out and you make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. I like that.

That Department of Energy retard Peak Oil Nut from the U.S. government that would disagree with you doesn't know what's going on.
http://www.tomudall.house.gov/pdf/PeakOilHearingHirschtestimony120705.pdf

I'm glad the world has people like you Crimson that are smarter than the dumbdumbs.

Sorry gotta split out for a ride in my new Hummer!
Jet

 

[Frac Daddy]

Only one word comes to mind:

BIODIESEL When can we start fueling turbines with this stuff?

Researchers at the University of North Dakota are already testing the stuff. 100% biodiesel jetfuel with the cold weather properties of petrol-based fuel. They claim they can make it cheaper the petrol Jet A. We'll see.

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/13948062.htm

 

[USMCmech]

Only one word comes to mind:

BIODIESEL When can we start fueling turbines with this stuff?

Biodiesel is 90% regular deiesel with 10% highly refined vegetable oil (roughly).

Resulting in a 10% reduction in fossil fuel consumption, right?

Not quite, those soybeans had to be grown by farmers useing diesel tractors. Then refined by plants that get their electricty for coal burning power plants. After you figure in the production energy costs, it's a wash.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Have you ever thought of pumping Ethel, the gas station owner's daughter? That'll teach him/her.

Yeah, but she's cheaper to pump.

CE

 

[mcjohn]

Biodiesel is 90% regular deiesel with 10% highly refined vegetable oil (roughly).

No, I don't think so. You're referring to the typical fuel that contains ethanol at those cheap gas stations.....Racetrack.....Hotspot....etc. The pumps have a sticker on them that say CONTAINS ETHANOL.

I think biodiesel has a much higher percentage of the veggie oil in it.

 

[woofer_77]

Normal biodiesel fuel is 20% bio/80% regular. You can use it all the way up to 100% though. Here's an interesting site if you're interested:
http://www.biodiesel.org/

As far as whether oil is renewable or not, if we reduce demand by reducing consumption, we will reduce the price of oil. So therefore, IMHO using less oil is a good thing. Also, if we use sources like biodiesel, the CO2 we put in the air will equal the CO2 we take out of it when growing the crops.

 

[USMCmech]

Normal biodiesel fuel is 20% bio/80% regular. You can use it all the way up to 100% though.

I stand corrected, but my point is still valid. At best you are getting a very small reduction in fossil fuel consumption.

What would 100% biofuel retail at the pump for?



Bigger question, where are we supposed to grow all these soybeans? Farmland has been disapearing the US for the last century, and there are 6 billion hungery people in on this planet.


In a nutshell, we will keep burining oil and fossil fuels untill they become too expensive to continue useing. Then we will have to find a new source of energy, especially for transportation. Nuclear power is really the only viable prospect.

Right now nuclear powerplants are too expensive to use unless there is no other option (submarines, ect), while everything else burns oil. I belive the situation will be reversed over the next century. All large transportation vehicles (trains & ships) will be nuclear powered, while cars and other smaller vehicles will run off electricity.

I have no clue what will happen to airplanes. Maybe somebody will figure out how to make engines that burn hydrogen?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060224.html

 

[big_al]

farmland is going because its cheaper for companies to grow the produce in 3rd world slave labor nations and ship it here.

but unless governments get serious and stop pandering to big oil and energy concerns, it will be too late once the prices skyrocket

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I stand corrected, but my point is still valid. At best you are getting a very small reduction in fossil fuel consumption.

What would 100% biofuel retail at the pump for?



Bigger question, where are we supposed to grow all these soybeans? Farmland has been disapearing the US for the last century, and there are 6 billion hungery people in on this planet.


In a nutshell, we will keep burining oil and fossil fuels untill they become too expensive to continue useing. Then we will have to find a new source of energy, especially for transportation. Nuclear power is really the only viable prospect.

Right now nuclear powerplants are too expensive to use unless there is no other option (submarines, ect), while everything else burns oil. I belive the situation will be reversed over the next century. All large transportation vehicles (trains & ships) will be nuclear powered, while cars and other smaller vehicles will run off electricity.

I have no clue what will happen to airplanes. Maybe somebody will figure out how to make engines that burn hydrogen?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060224.html

The difference between a surplus and a crisis shortage can be as little as
5%. a 10% reduction could be helpful.

BioDiesel in California runs about $5.00-$5.50/gal. But cars specifically
designed for it can get well over 100mpg (I've see modern VW's get
250mpg on biodiesel) so the price is more than worth it.

The USA actually has excess capacity. Using it for fuel is a great idea for
job retention and can easily be converted back to food production in event
of crisis.

I would like to see more info on "clean" burning coal plants. Coal has a huge
supply, but I am still worried on pollution.

Nukes should be built. Alot of them. New tech like fast neutron reactors
could easily use or 'burn' waste uranium/plutonium from normal slow neutron
reactors. At present consumption of waste, it would take well over 100
years to exhaust uranium waste fuel inventories (and clean out waste).

Trains and ships with nukes? I can only hope it's a non-fission reactor...

Frak Daddy's link shows experiments of bio-diesel in Jet-A situations. Keep
in mind, there many factors, like mixing Jet-A with Bio, effects of Prist,
deposits, filters, etc. My lack of faith with the certification of alternative
fuels is due to the no lead Av-Gas debacle. Were still waiting for that one.

As for hydrogen, don't expect it for aviation anytime soon. The power
density is still too low.

CE

P.S. BioDiesel is not necessarily a 20%/80% mix. It (supposedly) can be mixed at
any level. If true, it would be a wonderful supplement and be used to hedge either
fuel as market value demands.