70 buck a barrel oil matched by rising airfares...talk of rationing.

[FN FAL]

The fat cat station owners are going to keep gouging us at the gas pumps. I hate these gas prices.

Have you ever thought of pumping Ethel, the gas station owner's daughter? That'll teach him/her.

 

[jetflyer]

It's also NOT an oil crisis. It is an ENERGY crisis. Oil is a problem, but it is
one of MANY problem that need to be dealt with.

Drilled oil is becoming more expensive to extract, PERIOD. The easy oil is gone.

It's guys like you that make me happy. You've got it all figured out and you make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. I like that.

That Department of Energy retard Peak Oil Nut from the U.S. government that would disagree with you doesn't know what's going on.
http://www.tomudall.house.gov/pdf/PeakOilHearingHirschtestimony120705.pdf

I'm glad the world has people like you Crimson that are smarter than the dumbdumbs.

Sorry gotta split out for a ride in my new Hummer!
Jet

 

[Frac Daddy]

Only one word comes to mind:

BIODIESEL When can we start fueling turbines with this stuff?

Researchers at the University of North Dakota are already testing the stuff. 100% biodiesel jetfuel with the cold weather properties of petrol-based fuel. They claim they can make it cheaper the petrol Jet A. We'll see.

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/13948062.htm

 

[USMCmech]

Only one word comes to mind:

BIODIESEL When can we start fueling turbines with this stuff?

Biodiesel is 90% regular deiesel with 10% highly refined vegetable oil (roughly).

Resulting in a 10% reduction in fossil fuel consumption, right?

Not quite, those soybeans had to be grown by farmers useing diesel tractors. Then refined by plants that get their electricty for coal burning power plants. After you figure in the production energy costs, it's a wash.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Have you ever thought of pumping Ethel, the gas station owner's daughter? That'll teach him/her.

Yeah, but she's cheaper to pump.

CE

 

[mcjohn]

Biodiesel is 90% regular deiesel with 10% highly refined vegetable oil (roughly).

No, I don't think so. You're referring to the typical fuel that contains ethanol at those cheap gas stations.....Racetrack.....Hotspot....etc. The pumps have a sticker on them that say CONTAINS ETHANOL.

I think biodiesel has a much higher percentage of the veggie oil in it.

 

[woofer_77]

Normal biodiesel fuel is 20% bio/80% regular. You can use it all the way up to 100% though. Here's an interesting site if you're interested:
http://www.biodiesel.org/

As far as whether oil is renewable or not, if we reduce demand by reducing consumption, we will reduce the price of oil. So therefore, IMHO using less oil is a good thing. Also, if we use sources like biodiesel, the CO2 we put in the air will equal the CO2 we take out of it when growing the crops.

 

[USMCmech]

Normal biodiesel fuel is 20% bio/80% regular. You can use it all the way up to 100% though.

I stand corrected, but my point is still valid. At best you are getting a very small reduction in fossil fuel consumption.

What would 100% biofuel retail at the pump for?



Bigger question, where are we supposed to grow all these soybeans? Farmland has been disapearing the US for the last century, and there are 6 billion hungery people in on this planet.


In a nutshell, we will keep burining oil and fossil fuels untill they become too expensive to continue useing. Then we will have to find a new source of energy, especially for transportation. Nuclear power is really the only viable prospect.

Right now nuclear powerplants are too expensive to use unless there is no other option (submarines, ect), while everything else burns oil. I belive the situation will be reversed over the next century. All large transportation vehicles (trains & ships) will be nuclear powered, while cars and other smaller vehicles will run off electricity.

I have no clue what will happen to airplanes. Maybe somebody will figure out how to make engines that burn hydrogen?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060224.html

 

[big_al]

farmland is going because its cheaper for companies to grow the produce in 3rd world slave labor nations and ship it here.

but unless governments get serious and stop pandering to big oil and energy concerns, it will be too late once the prices skyrocket

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I stand corrected, but my point is still valid. At best you are getting a very small reduction in fossil fuel consumption.

What would 100% biofuel retail at the pump for?



Bigger question, where are we supposed to grow all these soybeans? Farmland has been disapearing the US for the last century, and there are 6 billion hungery people in on this planet.


In a nutshell, we will keep burining oil and fossil fuels untill they become too expensive to continue useing. Then we will have to find a new source of energy, especially for transportation. Nuclear power is really the only viable prospect.

Right now nuclear powerplants are too expensive to use unless there is no other option (submarines, ect), while everything else burns oil. I belive the situation will be reversed over the next century. All large transportation vehicles (trains & ships) will be nuclear powered, while cars and other smaller vehicles will run off electricity.

I have no clue what will happen to airplanes. Maybe somebody will figure out how to make engines that burn hydrogen?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060224.html

The difference between a surplus and a crisis shortage can be as little as
5%. a 10% reduction could be helpful.

BioDiesel in California runs about $5.00-$5.50/gal. But cars specifically
designed for it can get well over 100mpg (I've see modern VW's get
250mpg on biodiesel) so the price is more than worth it.

The USA actually has excess capacity. Using it for fuel is a great idea for
job retention and can easily be converted back to food production in event
of crisis.

I would like to see more info on "clean" burning coal plants. Coal has a huge
supply, but I am still worried on pollution.

Nukes should be built. Alot of them. New tech like fast neutron reactors
could easily use or 'burn' waste uranium/plutonium from normal slow neutron
reactors. At present consumption of waste, it would take well over 100
years to exhaust uranium waste fuel inventories (and clean out waste).

Trains and ships with nukes? I can only hope it's a non-fission reactor...

Frak Daddy's link shows experiments of bio-diesel in Jet-A situations. Keep
in mind, there many factors, like mixing Jet-A with Bio, effects of Prist,
deposits, filters, etc. My lack of faith with the certification of alternative
fuels is due to the no lead Av-Gas debacle. Were still waiting for that one.

As for hydrogen, don't expect it for aviation anytime soon. The power
density is still too low.

CE

P.S. BioDiesel is not necessarily a 20%/80% mix. It (supposedly) can be mixed at
any level. If true, it would be a wonderful supplement and be used to hedge either
fuel as market value demands.