70 buck a barrel oil matched by rising airfares...talk of rationing.

[Dangerkitty]

Ummm, folks. I thought it was rather obvious, but it appears that some hadn't caught it. Jetflyer is employing the literary device known as irony. Heavyhanded maybe, perhaps even a little annoying, but irony, nonetheless. That's right folks, he doesn't really *mean* what he's saying, and that's apparently sailing right over several heads.

Actually I understand exactly what he is doing. It is just very very very annoying. The guy is as hypocritical as the day is long.

 

[jetflyer]

A Squared,
Thank you for getting me. I even had to start throwing in extra rolling the eyes smilies and laughing smilies to try to get someone to see what I meant. I was starting to question the intelligence of a lot of the board members.

I am boring and annoying even myself with my act though and I'll stop. Sorry.

And FN Fal, I'll try to make your Flightinfo world complete in the future and go back to my old self. I don't wanna freak ya out like HT1 Salter. That was a good and amusing story.

Dangerkitty, I'll try not to annoy ya in the future bud. I realize I post too much on peak oil and it's just because I personally believe we're in deep shiyat if we don't hurry and we need to immediately on a grand scale start using the coal for oil, drill for oil off both coasts and even FL, dig up all of Canada for oil sands, kill every moose in AK for their oil, build 100 more nuke plants, etc. We need to do these things before we're forced to.

I'm going to post less on peak oil in the future. I realize people don't like to hear bad news. It just annoys ME that all of us as a society are so collectively retarded and focused on the wrong issues when it comes to OIL and the energy we use. Everyone blames the oil companies, OPEC, the tree huggers, refineries, Venezuela, Iran, etc. There is a much larger issue brewing behind the scenes that is upon us(Peak Oil) and no one seems to realize it.

It just annoys me that so many people don't get it.

As a society we're S.O.S. (Stuck on Stupid)

Plus I don't think I'm hypocritical. I think a lot of you see me as some left wing liberal tree hugging hippie. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

I don't care how much oil anyone uses. I say burn it honestly if you can afford to. The price will make people use less in the future. I just think we need to do the things I said above and much more as a society and it should have been done yesterday. Heck I'm driving as much as I can now all over the country while it's still affordable. I advise you to do the same.

Danger Kitty please tell me how I'm hypocritical when I've never told a single individual person to use less oil. I have been nothing but consistent saying we as a society need to immediately begin the transition to alternatives to oil.

Plus, I flying my jet around with a lot people in the back am actually helping the world use less oil. With my plane full of people flying across the country, we're burning less fuel than they would use all individually driving across the country.

Education of the masses to the truth (Peak Oil) has to happen before my dreams of change can occur. That is why I like Robert Hirsch of the DOE, Republican Roscoe Bartlett, T.Boone Pickens, Matthew Simmons, and many others so much. They are out there preaching like Peak Oil crazies of what will happen if we don't hurry.

The peak oil crazies are doing it FOR THE GOOD OF HUMANITY AND AMERICA.

One day people will thank the Peak Oil Crazies for warning us and maybe helping things be not as bad as they could have been, by helping encourage a shift to oil alternatives a little bit sooner.

We need to hurry!!

Adios,
Jet

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Ummm, folks. I thought it was rather obvious, but it appears that some hadn't caught it. Jetflyer is employing the literary device known as irony. Heavyhanded maybe, perhaps even a little annoying, but irony, nonetheless. That's right folks, he doesn't really *mean* what he's saying, and that's apparently sailing right over several heads.

The "oil is made in the center of the Earth" thing was just strange.
I kept scratching my head on that one.

Personally, I thought he was waaaaaay off with that one.

CE


('cause we all know that the center of the Earth is full of BEER! :beer

 

[FN FAL]

And FN Fal, I'll try to make your Flightinfo world complete in the future and go back to my old self. I don't wanna freak ya out like HT1 Salter. That was a good and amusing story.

:nuts:

Thanks...we all thought Salter was a pain in the butt sometimes, but when his world went "tilt" we wished we had our old Salter back. He was creeping us out when he started to make up for lost time as a "born again heathen". Glad you caught the satire!

By the way, I went to fill up today. $50.00 USD to fill up a Camry...I was laughing as I put the pump handle back into the slot. My wife asked, "What's up?"

I replied, "50 bucks to fill up a 'economy' sedan!"

I went in to pay for it and the manager said, "Hello!" I've known her for years, I asked her if she was the loan officer of the convenience store. She smiled a nervous smile and I went to pay at the register and even the girl behind the counter couldn't believe that my car took $50 bucks.

I don't think it's just greed, I think that it's only going to get worse.

As we pulled out of the gas pump kiosk, I remarked to my wife that I was glad that we were fortunate enough to be able to laugh at the 50.00 tank of gas in our car, but there are people out there that are just hanging on financially by a thread because their jobs don't pay as much as ours and this is going to kill them.

 

[jetflyer]

:nuts: As we pulled out of the gas pump kiosk, I remarked to my wife that I was glad that we were fortunate enough to be able to laugh at the 50.00 tank of gas in our car, but there are people out there that are just hanging on financially by a thread because their jobs don't pay as much as ours and this is going to kill them.

FN Fal,
Good point. The poor will be the first financial casualties as oil becomes more scarce. When it costs you more to drive to work than you make, then you're in trouble.

A lot of people in the Dallas metroplex, where I live, drive 80 mile round trips to their work in 20mpg vehicles. So they're paying about $12.00 for their roundtrip now. If they're making $8.00 an hour for that job, then after their taxes they're working 2 hours today just to pay for their drive to work and back!!

When gas goes to $5.00/gallon this same person is going to be working about 3.5 hours after taxes for their commute.

When gas goes to $10.00/gallon in a couple years they're going to have to quit their jobs or move!!

FN_Fal like you said this will KILL the poor.

Can the poor afford to even buy a hybrid? No. They're stuck with their old Ford gas guzzling pickups, etc. They'll have to move back into the cities here in Dallas because there is no serious public transit yet. There are projects in the works but they won't help everyone.

Peak Oil very well could cause the "END OF SUBURBIA".

There is actually a peak oil movie with that title. It's pretty good.

More and more people will move into condos, apartments, or houses closer to where they work or they'll have to get a new job closer to home.

The poor of the world's disposable income will be dried up as well, and they will have trouble even buying their cigarettes and beer. This is when the economy starts to get affected.

It's all going to be interesting to watch. Hopefully it doesn't get too bad before it gets better. It will get better one day, and there is no doubt about that.

One problem is that this future oil crisis will take a decade or two and will be much, much harder to overcome than the 1970's oil problems according to the DOE study.

We're all going to develop a great respect one day for the precious natural resources that we've been using for so long and learn to appreciate how wonderful they are.

Oh and Crimson Eclipse, there are some people that actually believe oil comes from the center of the earth. It's called the Abiotic Oil theory. These people say it is impossible for oil production to peak because of this. If you ask me, they're ABIOTIC OIL CRAZIES

Adios,
Jet

p.s. Crimson your beer joke made me laugh pretty hard...

 

[JohnDoe]

History has been made. Two posts in a row from jetflyer with no bold letters, no huge fonts, and no multiple exclamation points.

Those posts were much "nicer" to read jet, and IMHO will get your point accross more effectively.

However:

Gotta call bs on this remark:
quote:
"Plus, I flying my jet around with a lot people in the back am actually helping the world use less oil. With my plane full of people flying across the country, we're burning less fuel than they would use all individually driving across the country."

Bit of a stretch there. How many of your flights are half-full or less? And I would hardly call 50 alot of people. I am also guessing that if you compare the mpg of your jet to cars, the cars still win.

When people used to ask you (myself included) why you continued to fly gas guzzling jets when you feel the way you do about peak oil, you always said you were working on getting out of the flying business. What changed? Is the above comment a bit of backpedaling or change of heart?

And again, I fully agree that we should do a manhattan-style project to get alternatives to oil now. If for nothing other than to break our absolute dependancy on unstable foreign countries for our economic survival.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

p.s. Crimson your beer joke made me laugh pretty hard...

Now that i get you, I'd definitely have a beer with ya.

You see, I have a Black Belt in South East American Sarcasm.
but i completely lack understanding of the art of Irony.

Personally, I blame Alanis Morissette.

CE

 

[jetflyer]

Personally, I blame Alanis Morissette.

LOL, I love that song. In this case, me liking that song would not be ironic, don't you think?

JohnDoe,

I really did think about getting out of aviation because I was afraid I'd lose my job from this stupid peak oil thingy. Who knows maybe I will one day, but I love flying.

I don't wanna quit flying. Someone has to do it.

I really, if you want me to be honest, don't give a rats ass if I'm using a bunch of oil. Heck it's what our economy runs off of.

I don't think just because I think we're going to start having to use less every year of the black goo, that I need to change my job when I just learned of coming peak oil in mid 2005. Some other schmoe will just fly the plane in my place.

Maybe one day we'll be flying these same jets off of coal one day. Won't that be good for the environment! Oh well, global warming isn't real. <---Irony?? I thought it was bad sarcasm personally but oh well.......

Like others have pointed out the Coal technology is there and the first plant in the U.S. to make fuels out of coal is in the works right now according to the new "Scientific American" magazine out and will be operating in TWO years.

The new coal to fuel plant will make 5,000 barrels a day equivalent of oil from coal and will cost $600 million dollars to build.

How much is that from this plant? Well we'd need 4,299 more of these plants to replace the oil just the U.S. uses per day(21.5 million) and they would cost a grand total of you ready? $2,579,400,000,000.00 or $2.57 Trillion.

Granted we don't have to replace all the oil but this one plant is only going to make 1/4300 of what we use. This black gooo is going to take time and a lot of money to replace like Robert Hirsch of the DOE says.

Haaa, am I less of a peak oil crazy than I used to be, or maybe I'm just intentionally not going crazy with bolding and CAPITALIZING EVERYTHING? I went back and read some of my old posts to see if they were really that bad and yes you guys were right. Sorry! I think I was just desperate for someone to hear what I had to say. This crud scares me a little, just a little. I know I'm afraid of the unknown and this stupid energy thing has made me lose a little sleep a night or two....

Ohh, I have been happier lately though from how much money I'm making off of my leveraged gold and silver purchases. You guys really need to get into gold and silver or a precious metals mutual fund. The bull market has just begun. Gold has doubled in the last 5 years and Silver has tripled. So I'm not only a peak oil crazy but I'm also a gold bug. Wow you guys must think I'm nuts! Oh well.

Crimson, we need to get everyone together and all go get some beers. I promise to not talk about peak oil, like I have to do when I go out with my wife and friends or family. I'll also drive my paid-off 20mpg Ford T-Bird gas guzzler to meet you guys anywhere you want! Before you ask, I won't get a new car till the electric plug-in style hybrids come out and I'm spending more on gas per month than a new car costs. I'm saving every penny I can and I'm saving even more money by not having a car payment right now. It's all going into gold and silver, oh and oil

Cheers:beer:

Adios,
Jet

 

[jetflyer]

It's also just a matter of time before the oil fields start to refill. My sources deep inside the earth are telling me it will be real soon. Flightinfo member "Lowcarb" will be insanely happy when his oil fields start to refill with new oil!!

I laughed pretty hard when I wrote that. My sources from deep inside the earth might even say I was getting a little kooky for a while there.....

I was trying really hard at the point of the above quote to make people realize I was joking....

That was fun,
Jet

 

[whaleroast]

In 15 years, the buried remains of those that died in the 1600's and 1700's on the East Coast will have congealed enough to produce oil deposits. My advice is to buy old Puritan cemetary's in New England, build a derrick and go to town on the grave of "Good Woman Prudance". Puritan oil will see this country through to the next century.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Ohh, I have been happier lately though from how much money I'm making off of my leveraged gold and silver purchases. You guys really need to get into gold and silver or a precious metals mutual fund. The bull market has just begun. Gold has doubled in the last 5 years and Silver has tripled. So I'm not only a peak oil crazy but I'm also a gold bug. Wow you guys must think I'm nuts! Oh well.

You might wanna do a little better research when I comes to investing in precious metals. While it is true they have had a great run the past 12 months or so if you look further back you will see that precious metals have HORRIBLE rates of return.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

I just got done reading Life After the Crash. Very scary book and oil closed at an all time high today. Don't read the book because it has started to make me a little worried like jetflyer.

 

[jetflyer]

You might wanna do a little better research when I comes to investing in precious metals. While it is true they have had a great run the past 12 months or so if you look further back you will see that precious metals have HORRIBLE rates of return.

In the 70's gold went up above 800 and silver to 50? Gold is currently $600 and silver is $13

Demand for these metals and copper is beginning to outstrip supply and reserves are getting harder to replace every year like what is happening with oil. People are saying we might be also reaching PEAK Precious metals.

Why did gold and silver go so high in the 70's?
--An energy crisis which is happening again.
--Inflation which went out of control came because of the energy crisis which will happen again.
--Troubles with the Arab countries and Iran. Sound familiar??


Other things that will cause gold and silver to continue upwards in the next few years:
--Peak oil this time, not just an energy crisis, the mother of all energy crises is coming this time.
--Peak gold and silver?
--This time we'll also soon have a sinking dollar.
--The housing bubble will soon burst when the ARM loans readjust over the next two years.
--Trade imbalance is over 6% of GDP.
--The savings rate of Americans is less than 0%, where it hasn't been since the Great Depression.
--The U.S. govt. and its people are in a LOT of debt.
--The baby boomers are retiring and will cause deficits to skyrocket even more or will cause taxes to have to increase to pay for their Soc. sec. and medicare payments which have been spent over the years by our retarded politicians.

Gold and silver will go up a lot in the next couple years. It has just begun. This I believe very strongly in.

You should listen to Jim Puplava's radio show at:
http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm

Jim has become very bullish the last 5 years on commodities mainly because of his peak oil beliefs and he's helping a lot of people make a lot of money.

He's a great economist that links what will happen when the oil prices keep going up and all the above factors begin to affect the economy. His latest interview, found at the above website, is with Peter Tertzakian who wrote "A Thousand Barrels a Second" which is one of the newest Peak Oil books out. It's worth a listen.

Jet

 

[Dangerkitty]

In the 70's gold went up above 800 and silver to 50? Gold is currently $600 and silver is $13

Demand for these metals and copper is beginning to outstrip supply and reserves are getting harder to replace every year like what is happening with oil. People are saying we might be also reaching PEAK Precious metals.

Why did gold and silver go so high in the 70's?
--An energy crisis which is happening again.
--Inflation which went out of control came because of the energy crisis which will happen again.
--Troubles with the Arab countries and Iran. Sound familiar??


Other things that will cause gold and silver to continue upwards in the next few years:
--Peak oil this time, not just an energy crisis, the mother of all energy crises is coming this time.
--Peak gold and silver?
--This time we'll also soon have a sinking dollar.
--The housing bubble will soon burst when the ARM loans readjust over the next two years.
--Trade imbalance is over 6% of GDP.
--The savings rate of Americans is less than 0%, where it hasn't been since the Great Depression.
--The U.S. govt. and its people are in a LOT of debt.
--The baby boomers are retiring and will cause deficits to skyrocket even more or will cause taxes to have to increase to pay for their Soc. sec. and medicare payments which have been spent over the years by our retarded politicians.

Gold and silver will go up a lot in the next couple years. It has just begun. This I believe very strongly in.

You should listen to Jim Puplava's radio show at:
http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm

Jim has become very bullish the last 5 years on commodities mainly because of his peak oil beliefs and he's helping a lot of people make a lot of money.

He's a great economist that links what will happen when the oil prices keep going up and all the above factors begin to affect the economy. His latest interview, found at the above website, is with Peter Terzakian who wrote "Thousand Barrels a Second" which is one of the newest Peak Oil books out. It's worth a listen.

Jet

Jim can believe whatever he wants. The numbers dont lie. Precious metals historically have HORRIBLE rates of return. In a few months to a few years there will be a correction. And it wont be pretty to all these people who have invested everything they could in bad investments.

 

[jetflyer]

I just got done reading Life After the Crash. Very scary book and oil closed at an all time high today. Don't read the book because it has started to make me a little worried like jetflyer.

LOL B-J-J. You read that one!?? I wouldn't dare. I try to read the more optimistic peak oil books. Matthew Savinar is just the greatest doomer to inhabit our planet. Of course I've read his website. That was the first thing I ever read about peak oil. It scared me to death. I could never read his book. You were brave....

Peter Tertzakian's new book is called "A Thousand Barrels A Second: The Coming Oil Break Point and the Challenges Facing an Energy Dependent World". Peter thinks things will get better after a decade or two of hard times but that we'll manage.

I hope we'll manage

Jet

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Life After the Crash is not the book to read if you worry a lot like myself. The book is pretty much all doom and gloom. In his opinion it's too late.

 

[Dangerkitty]

In the 70's gold went up above 800 and silver to 50? Gold is currently $600 and silver is $13

Demand for these metals and copper is beginning to outstrip supply and reserves are getting harder to replace every year like what is happening with oil. People are saying we might be also reaching PEAK Precious metals.

Why did gold and silver go so high in the 70's?
--An energy crisis which is happening again.
--Inflation which went out of control came because of the energy crisis which will happen again.
--Troubles with the Arab countries and Iran. Sound familiar??


Other things that will cause gold and silver to continue upwards in the next few years:
--Peak oil this time, not just an energy crisis, the mother of all energy crises is coming this time.
--Peak gold and silver?
--This time we'll also soon have a sinking dollar.
--The housing bubble will soon burst when the ARM loans readjust over the next two years.
--Trade imbalance is over 6% of GDP.
--The savings rate of Americans is less than 0%, where it hasn't been since the Great Depression.
--The U.S. govt. and its people are in a LOT of debt.
--The baby boomers are retiring and will cause deficits to skyrocket even more or will cause taxes to have to increase to pay for their Soc. sec. and medicare payments which have been spent over the years by our retarded politicians.

Gold and silver will go up a lot in the next couple years. It has just begun. This I believe very strongly in.

You should listen to Jim Puplava's radio show at:
http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm

Jim has become very bullish the last 5 years on commodities mainly because of his peak oil beliefs and he's helping a lot of people make a lot of money.

He's a great economist that links what will happen when the oil prices keep going up and all the above factors begin to affect the economy. His latest interview, found at the above website, is with Peter Terzakian who wrote "Thousand Barrels a Second" which is one of the newest Peak Oil books out. It's worth a listen.

Jet

Jetflyer,

Your posts are beginning to become laughable. Do you even remember the energy crisis of the 1970's? I am sure you dont, because if you did you would understand that we are nowhere near, not even close to an energy crisis today.

Infact, for years and years and years we have been buying fuel much less than what it should have cost if fuel had stayed with inflation. At $3.00 a gallon gasoline we are just now getting back to where the cost of fuel was in the 60's and 70's adjusted for inflation.

Trouble with the Arab countries and Iran? Oil production is all they have this is only sabre rattling.

Where you come up with all this crap is beyond me. You have almost no idea what you are talking about. Sure sometimes a blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then. Thats what you have stumbled across with you gold and silver buys. Better get out before the correction occurs.

 

[jetflyer]

Danger,
Whatever dude.
Jet

 

[jetflyer]

B-J-J,
Is your avatar a picture of you?? If so dayumm. Heck the end of the world is coming right!? Maybe I can talk my wife into some swinger action if you're interested?? I'll just say that we have to do it once before the end of the world as we know it comes.

Plus we can talk about peak oil all night long....

Oh and if that's not you and you're some hairy chested overweight dude, then uh, "How about them Bears?!"

Jet

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Dangerkitty:
In the 70s, there was NO energy crisis. Saudi just decided to cut us off.

Now, we have a problem, because worldwide demand is very, very close to worldwide supply. Last year, producers produced an excess of 2.5 mbpd. Now, we are down to only 1.7 mbpd excess capacity. Every DAY, oil demand goes up, largely fueled by the huge rise in China's economy. I saw a picture of China's new superhighways. It was scary! What's worse is that India is only 10 years behind China, and closing fast.

OPEC can NOT produce any more oil, at any meaningful rate related to the amount of increasing oil demand. Mexico's largest oil field, the 2nd largest in the world, just went into decline. The North Sea is in massive decline.

The oil companies, despite today's sophisticated technology, can't replace the oil they pump with new reserves, which means in the future they'll pump less oil than they do today.

Worse, for us, companies like UAL are planning on oil going below $50/barrel to make money. Does it look like $50 will happen at ANY time in the future?

I really like my job/house, etc., but I'm worried. In fact, I'm so worried, I'm not even reading ANY books about Peak Oil, or anything resembling them, as I'm black enough already. Too much blackness is counter-productive.

Cliff
YIP